Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 17:45:03 +0200 From: Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org> To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Single User Message-ID: <e149549f-1219-1065-d037-425bbdac50c3@rail.eu.org> In-Reply-To: <65A6EAD2-FC33-4260-896A-41385767121F@kreme.com> References: <91d28f49-1c1b-d2bf-5fd6-8b2e206ee6c7@andyit.com.au> <20220519132547.6b8cbb36.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> <24632e11-1a86-8553-cf44-d29aa40a6858@kicp.uchicago.edu> <CA%2ByoEx8Jk_sceftUUuXi5Hq0Vq2TS=dgAgz7cJ5HweF9u0H5Gg@mail.gmail.com> <4BED02F8-BC45-4170-A59E-CCCB97E59990@kreme.com> <20220520060219.3bcda7d2cdb88efd756953b6@sohara.org> <834ecba8eafd42b8f4efee98cfea719e@kreme.com> <20220520071838.41b3c04b59a1a4b3bccc4bbc@sohara.org> <65A6EAD2-FC33-4260-896A-41385767121F@kreme.com>
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Le 20/05/2022 à 17:38, @lbutlr a écrit : > On 2022 May 20, at 00:18, Steve O'Hara-Smith <steve@sohara.org> wrote: >> On Thu, 19 May 2022 23:50:48 -0600 >> kremels@kreme.com wrote: >> >>> On 2022-May-19 23:02, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >>>> On Thu, 19 May 2022 15:06:07 -0600 >>>> "@lbutlr" <kremels@kreme.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 2022 May 19, at 08:20, Mario Lobo <lobo@bsd.com.br> wrote: >>>>>> Man .. I'm old! >>>>>> >>>>>> I even know where these terms came from. They're typewriter terms . >>>>> Not old enough! They're actaul1y teletype terms and codes! >>>> Typewrites had carriage return and line feed levers long before >>>> there were teletypes or ASCII. >>> The codes are teletype codes, not typewriter codes. All you need to do >> "typewriter codes" ? Typewriters are mechanical devices that do not >> use codes. The codes are there in ASCII because teletypes needed the same >> functions as typewriters. The terms were in use for typewriters decades >> before there were teletypes, ASCII or even BCD. They were old when computer >> was a job description. > Nope. Cottage Return was the name of the handle on the typewriter. Everything else is from teletype machines. There was th "Horizontal tab" on a typewriter, it was just a 'tab' and there was certainly not vertical tab. There was no 'line feed' because you didn't have a term for 'turn the roller by hand'. > > I remember my grandfather typewriter, with a lever which made the roller turn by juste one line, it was the line feed. Then if you continued pushing the lever, it made the roller translate on the right, that was the carriage return... The natural thing was to do both, but it was possible to have only one effect
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