From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 20 14:48:08 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA98337B401; Sun, 20 Apr 2003 14:48:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.82]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E06A143FB1; Sun, 20 Apr 2003 14:48:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcus@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail3.nc.rr.com (fe3 [24.93.67.50])h3KLhXhA002243; Sun, 20 Apr 2003 17:43:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from creme-brulee.marcuscom.com ([66.57.17.158]) by mail3.nc.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Sun, 20 Apr 2003 17:45:26 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.4] (shumai.marcuscom.com [192.168.1.4]) h3KLkKaa027613; Sun, 20 Apr 2003 17:46:20 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from marcus@FreeBSD.org) From: Joe Marcus Clarke To: Adam Weinberger In-Reply-To: <20030420213028.GA25227@vectors.cx> References: <20030420002953.55575.qmail@web13503.mail.yahoo.com> <1050799770.13770.51.camel@shumai.marcuscom.com> <20030420212022.GZ25227@vectors.cx> <1050873746.9550.23.camel@shumai.marcuscom.com> <20030420213028.GA25227@vectors.cx> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-4lw4vZJfkkkLQJ2CvXrR" Organization: FreeBSD, Inc. Message-Id: <1050875281.9550.40.camel@shumai.marcuscom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.2 (Preview Release) Date: 20 Apr 2003 17:48:02 -0400 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-39.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,PGP_SIGNATURE_2, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,QUOTE_TWICE_1,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) cc: David Yeske cc: ports@FreeBSD.org cc: petef@FreeBSD.org cc: Doug Barton Subject: Re: use_gnomeng X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 21:48:09 -0000 --=-4lw4vZJfkkkLQJ2CvXrR Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 2003-04-20 at 17:30, Adam Weinberger wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 >=20 > >> (04.20.2003 @ 1422 PST): Joe Marcus Clarke said, in 2.1K: << > > > USE_{GTK,ESOUND,IMLIB} are still defined in bsd.gnome.mk. > >=20 > > Still defined now for backwards compatibility. However, this won't > > always be the case. >=20 > USE_ESOUND and USE_IMLIB should be taken out of bsd.gnome.mk and should > be excised from the ports tree stat, IMO. I'm with you. The only reason they're still in there is that some ports are using them. I managed to convert out GNOMELIBS, GLIB, and GNOMECTRL. Then I got lazy. >=20 > > > That being said, I do agree that USE_GTK and USE_GTK2 macros will mak= e > > > the learning curve a bit less steep. > >=20 > > Now, sure...but as new releases come out, should we add USE_GTK3, > > USE_GTK4...? I think it scales better to have the one system that > > accepts a list of components rather than defining new macros everytime = a > > new API release comes out. >=20 > Your point is well taken, except that the GTK libraries are ubiquitous > compared to any other GNOME components. I think that the relative > complexity of the USE_GNOME system as compared to "USE_GTK2=3Dyes" is > warranted for all other GNOME components, but I wonder if the > extra-macros-to-support tradeoff is worth it for the relative ease of > porting apps that simply utilize the toolkit. I concur with your answer below, and I would add that FreeBSD porters are smart people. Is it really too complex or too time consuming to do USE_GNOME=3Dgtk[12|20]? I thought we did a good job with the docs. =20 Also, adding the macros back in could cause some conflicts if both the compat macros and USE_GNOME were used. =20 Joe >=20 > On the other hand, "USE_GNOME=3D gtk20" isn't all that difficult. I think > it may be worth it to add a paragraph towards the top of the docs I'm > hacking to spell out "If you want gtk2 libs, do this." >=20 > # Adam >=20 >=20 > - -- > Adam Weinberger > vectors.cx >> adam@vectors.cx > FreeBSD.org << adamw@FreeBSD.ORG > #vim:set ts=3D8: 8-char tabs prevent tooth decay. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) >=20 > iD8DBQE+oxF0o8KM2ULHQ/0RAhl8AKDcf9XNpPQpK26GZ0HOsnoDn+Q5JQCeOfbk > 5oZJA5+DR/ycQNHcWGbAUfo=3D > =3Dx3pA > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=20 Joe Marcus Clarke FreeBSD GNOME Team :: marcus@FreeBSD.org http://www.FreeBSD.org/gnome --=-4lw4vZJfkkkLQJ2CvXrR Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQA+oxWRb2iPiv4Uz4cRAp/XAJ485bcsOF8DMRW4hSnTwbRHy0IeoQCgk47W ekqRPttnLrwYfPOPhA21CrA= =h4X9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-4lw4vZJfkkkLQJ2CvXrR--