From nobody Fri May 20 15:48:32 2022 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 969881B46B52 for ; Fri, 20 May 2022 15:48:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gray@nxg.name) Received: from mx1.mythic-beasts.com (mx1.mythic-beasts.com [IPv6:2a00:1098:0:86:1000:0:2:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4L4WNj0JcGz3vfX for ; Fri, 20 May 2022 15:48:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gray@nxg.name) Received: from [2001:8b0:df5:af53:2ccf:e217:1d6c:490f] (port=65421 helo=[192.168.0.43]) by haggis.mythic-beasts.com with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92.3) (envelope-from ) id 1ns4ru-0000jo-23; Fri, 20 May 2022 16:48:46 +0100 From: Norman Gray To: "@lbutlr" Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: Single User Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 16:48:32 +0100 X-Mailer: MailMate (1.14r5818) Message-ID: <95D951C5-8367-4EF4-B574-83B0E0530B99@nxg.name> In-Reply-To: <65A6EAD2-FC33-4260-896A-41385767121F@kreme.com> References: <91d28f49-1c1b-d2bf-5fd6-8b2e206ee6c7@andyit.com.au> <20220519132547.6b8cbb36.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> <24632e11-1a86-8553-cf44-d29aa40a6858@kicp.uchicago.edu> <4BED02F8-BC45-4170-A59E-CCCB97E59990@kreme.com> <20220520060219.3bcda7d2cdb88efd756953b6@sohara.org> <834ecba8eafd42b8f4efee98cfea719e@kreme.com> <20220520071838.41b3c04b59a1a4b3bccc4bbc@sohara.org> <65A6EAD2-FC33-4260-896A-41385767121F@kreme.com> List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BlackCat-Spam-Score: 24 X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.4 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4L4WNj0JcGz3vfX X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of gray@nxg.name designates 2a00:1098:0:86:1000:0:2:1 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=gray@nxg.name X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.49 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_MISSING_CHARSET(2.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1098::86:1000:0:2:0/112]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[nxg.name]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[2a00:1098:0:86:1000:0:2:1:from]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.87)[-0.874]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.62)[-0.621]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:44684, ipnet:2a00:1098::/32, country:GB]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N Greetings, On 20 May 2022, at 16:38, @lbutlr wrote: > Nope. Cottage Return was the name of the handle on the typewriter. Ever= ything else is from teletype machines. There was th "Horizontal tab" on a= typewriter, it was just a 'tab' and there was certainly not vertical tab= =2E There was no 'line feed' because you didn't have a term for 'turn the= roller by hand'. Well, yes and no. In my recollection, moving the lever on the typewriter= would do a 'line feed', and you could do this more than once to get doub= le or more spacing (or you could turn the roller by hand if you wanted). = If you continued to apply pressure on the handle then this would result = in you pushing the carriage back to the right. Thus 'line feed' and 'carriage return' were separate operations, even tho= ugh they were effected using the same handle and typically in a single mo= vement. (of course, we could here be talking of different vintages of typewriter,= but I think the above is right for most typewriters up to the invention = of the daisy-wheel or golfball ones (when the 'carriage return' became a = button on the keyboard, and the thing started to look more like a teletyp= e)) Best wishes, Norman -- = Norman Gray : https://nxg.me.uk