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Subject: Re: Removal of sysinstall from HEAD and lack of a post-install
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On 29 December 2011 21:25, Pedro Giffuni <pfg@freebsd.org> wrote:
> --- Gio 29/12/11, Chris Rees <crees@freebsd.org> ha scritto:
>
>> > FWIW;
>> >
>> > I have practically given up on installing FreeBSD
>> lately
>> > and I mostly use PC-BSD. I mainly see two big issues:
>> >
>> > -X.Org has become very difficult to install. Setting
>> up
>> > hald and friends, not to mention that you have to
>> > choose carefully your hardware previously. It's a
>> > nightmare.
>>
>> I've not found that... installing xorg-drivers with the
>> correct options is hassle-free... have you posted these
>> problems to -x11@?
>>
>
> Hmm.. I think it was 8.2 and "X.org -configure" didn't
> give me a working screen, and then I discovered I had to
> be using hald, it was painful and I starting keeping a
> copy of my working configuration in a USB mem. TBH the
> -x11 guys were really doing their own homework keeping up
> with linux and I was able to find out the information on
> the net.
>
> I use the nvidia driver, no idea what people with ATI
> cards do.

I'm sorry to hear you're having trouble with that, if you ever want to
try again and you can't work it out get me off list ;)

>> > - I am OK with sysinstall disappearing: however it
>> was
>> > nice to have all the setup tools in one place. How am
>> > I supposed to install prebuilt packages (and the
>> myriad
>> > of dependencies) from now on? Ports are cool but
>> having
>> > to wait to rebuild gcc to be able to use scilab is a
>> > nonsense.
>>
>> Use packages, we do do them!
>>
>
> Of course, but no idea how to use them without
> sysinstall's post-install configuration screen: it
> was just too easy.
>
> I hope I don't have to start downloading manually all
> the prepackaged dependencies (I still do that with
> Java and it's not nice).

Nah, pkg_add -r works and grabs anything you need. Try it with
something monstrous (like gcc...)

Chris