From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 02:15:58 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C11416A473 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 02:15:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danny@ricin.com) Received: from smtpq2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl (smtpq2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl [213.51.146.201]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5DE413C474 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 02:15:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danny@ricin.com) Received: from [213.51.146.189] (port=48558 helo=smtp2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl) by smtpq2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1J2abN-0007ta-80 for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 00:02:53 +0100 Received: from cp1228410-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([84.27.157.163]:61646 helo=desktop.homenet) by smtp2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1J2abM-0008OX-HV for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 00:02:53 +0100 Received: by desktop.homenet (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 00:02:09 +0100 From: "Danny Pansters" To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 00:02:09 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <20071212213200.D576216A469@hub.freebsd.org> <200712121701.57460.mi+mill@aldan.algebra.com> In-Reply-To: <200712121701.57460.mi+mill@aldan.algebra.com> X-Face: (Zs+'ncTcchkOX|~t6{?Iii=O!G#WEK!+OD0|-F=i%1pvP5V_Sz4PaJC8o)=?utf-8?q?MiSnH/JMJFy=0A=09oBN-My?=, v":S7, (=?utf-8?q?mmkPm=27U=7BMgT+eM=2EBd=5Cp/P!dr=5DhOTXqpse21O!=25Ct=60SE=2EOodq?= =?utf-8?q?=5Dry=5E=23kU=5E=0A=09-?=GT.[8D}i$6P>=" =?utf-8?q?=23=0A=09*J+4d=7E?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-u" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200712130002.09967.danny@ricin.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Subject: Re: Ion3 removal (Re: Ion3 license violation) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 02:15:58 -0000 On Wednesday 12 December 2007 23:01:57 Mikhail Teterin wrote: > > The simple fact is that Tuomo has some strange desire to blame packagers > > for all his problems with software and users. > > Yes, license-crafting lawyers are usually more polite and don't engage in > direct communications with forums such as ours. Their licenses suck much > more, however -- think Java, cdrtools, or Skype, and all the other > closed-source packages. Put Tuomo's demands in perspective, for crying out > loud... > > > It's impossible for the FreeBSD ports system to guarantee compliance wi= th > > his arbitrarily chosen "28 days" rule. =9AIf he's going to demand that = his > > terms be followed, then it has to come out of the ports. > > Actually, it can be done -- when building the port, the date on the > distfile (or that on the most recent source-file /extracted/ therefrom) c= an > be checked against the current date and a prominent message can be issued > warning of possible obsoleteness (sp?)... > > I just wish we avoided the rash decisions like "let's remove everything > written by the guy we don't like NOW" -- if only in the name of "ports > slush"... In the hurry to spite the admittedly unpleasant-sounding author, > the needs and expectations of the users were neglected. Google a bit: ArchLinux (well, it was in the user-submitted "ports tree" that they have),= =20 Gentoo, Debian/ubuntu, NetBSD, OpenBSD. The latter had a pre license-change= =20 version and it was decided to stick with that. The others dumped it. The guy was never trying to find any compromise. He wants to go close sourc= ed=20 or something and "move to windows xp in a few years", on which apparently=20 there's a need for his software.=20 Also, it's worth noting that there seems to be no trademark at all, the aut= hor=20 is under the impression that a trademark doesn't have to be applied for (of= =20 course that goes for copyright, not trademarks). This is from early in the = ML=20 thread over at Archlinux, dated april 2007.=20 The guy's got a huge grudge or something, maybe even a serious mental probl= em=20 (that is not meant as hyperbole -- look through some of the above "distros"= =20 ML archives). You can't do OSS and be a control freak at the same time. It just doesn't w= ork=20 like that. mlc has handled this exactly how he should have. With a swagger! I promise not to reply to this thread any more :) Dan > I've never used ion, but, judging from some responses here, it is an > appreciated piece of software. > > -mi > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"