From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 24 12:35:34 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 539E516A417 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 12:35:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from M.S.Powell@salford.ac.uk) Received: from akis.salford.ac.uk (akis.salford.ac.uk [146.87.0.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CA79013C49D for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 12:35:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from M.S.Powell@salford.ac.uk) Received: (qmail 34157 invoked by uid 98); 24 Oct 2007 13:35:12 +0100 Received: from 146.87.255.121 by akis.salford.ac.uk (envelope-from , uid 401) with qmail-scanner-2.01 (clamdscan: 0.90/3843. spamassassin: 3.1.8. Clear:RC:1(146.87.255.121):. Processed in 0.080398 secs); 24 Oct 2007 12:35:12 -0000 Received: from rust.salford.ac.uk (HELO rust.salford.ac.uk) (146.87.255.121) by akis.salford.ac.uk (qpsmtpd/0.3x.614) with SMTP; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:35:12 +0100 Received: (qmail 65841 invoked by uid 1002); 24 Oct 2007 12:35:04 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 24 Oct 2007 12:35:04 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:35:04 +0100 (BST) From: "Mark Powell" To: karelrous@gyrec.cz In-Reply-To: <471F1D1B.4090007@gyrec.cz> Message-ID: <20071024131634.M64075@rust.salford.ac.uk> References: <20071002164246.GA986@hades.panopticon> <20071003003329.GA78359@hades.panopticon> <20071023214838.P57575@rust.salford.ac.uk> <471F1D1B.4090007@gyrec.cz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Dmitry Marakasov , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Need motherboard for home fileserver X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 12:35:34 -0000 On Wed, 24 Oct 2007, Karel Rous wrote: > I think overclocking shoudn't be understood as a feature you pay for. Yeah. It's a bonus right? Some of these budget end cpus are clearly underclocked by the manufacturer so that they simply have products which satisify ever price bracket they consider there is a market for. In fact they are often the same silicon. They re-label, lower their price, cutting into the profit, but hope to sell more of them. This is not always the case as the lower end stuff can often be silicon which failed a higher speed test or has a non-functional part e.g. some cache was faulty. However, it still remains true that the practice is in existence. You just need to do enough reading to be aware of which models it is happening on. > It's mainly a matter of luck. Everything is a matter of luck. You can reduce how much you depend on luck by doing some research. Isn't that what is performed when any hardware selection is made? > Reliability (probability of crash) and lifetime of such machines could > be worse. Could be no worse too :) NB I suggested this only in the context of a home server, where the financing is coming solely from one individual's pocket. I would not recommend any of this for a production server e.g. I wouldn't have recommended that motherboard in the production case, etc. Cheers. -- Mark Powell - UNIX System Administrator - The University of Salford Information Services Division, Clifford Whitworth Building, Salford University, Manchester, M5 4WT, UK. Tel: +44 161 295 4837 Fax: +44 161 295 5888 www.pgp.com for PGP key