From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 31 03:27:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2666F16A4DA for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 03:27:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from acruhl@gmail.com) Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com (nz-out-0102.google.com [64.233.162.203]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 926D643D58 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 03:27:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from acruhl@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 13so254482nzn for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 20:27:22 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=tOwjRKL5klT1uSZZP+xEr5C0IVvTK9v9L5+QfSnB4FjvZh8FshcyJ9j/jHQ44QLtQA4dFXfhnutAKEGP1yr/Dh90qDTmQOljORN1HKlacDBkd4Xz/0qs1zjt7VsylSZUxavjg2ggeoHK7gwc2+En1vDdy0qOp7Lqpp2wek8FhU4= Received: by 10.65.20.3 with SMTP id x3mr458721qbi; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 20:27:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.21.17 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 20:27:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <78a2305a0608302027y228e1992kb9444bbc67b93fea@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 20:27:21 -0700 From: "Andy Ruhl" To: "Charles M. Hannum" In-Reply-To: <20060830232723.GU10101@multics.mit.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060830232723.GU10101@multics.mit.edu> Cc: misc@openbsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, netbsd-users@netbsd.org Subject: Re: The future of NetBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 03:27:23 -0000 On 8/30/06, Charles M. Hannum wrote: > The NetBSD Project has stagnated to the point of irrelevance. It has Let me start by saying I'm probably not qualified to reply to this thread, but I was never worried about making a fool out of myself before so here goes... I am a former user of FreeBSD and occasional user of OpenBSD. Haven't had much experience with either in the last year or so. So... Stagnant? Yes. Irrelevance? Possibly. But, BUT, can anyone tell me where I can get an OS that I can build easily from the same place to run on my NEC PDA as well as an old IBM PowerPC box I just happened to have sitting around and doing nothing else? And I'm typing this now on an AMD64 box that ran stably long before FreeBSD did (yes, I tested both). Nobody else can say that. Is it relevant? It's funny how much more relevant NetBSD's philosophy becomes as i386 becomes irrelevant. While the others (FreeBSD in particular) seemed to be scrambling for another architecture, NetBSD just quietly supported them without any fanfare (IA-64 excluded, but it's more irrelevant than NetBSD!). There are strengths that go right down to the core of the project. They are still there. They won't ever be irrelevant. They just need to be built upon. The cleanliness, portability, and ease of use is there. So you're probably right. A strong leader is needed to recruit people to complete new projects and generally keep things relevant. If it's a people problem, I hope someone can fix it. Too bad the guy who used to say "I probably don't know what I'm talking about" isn't here to comment. Andy