From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Fri Jan 25 19:24:52 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48C8314BF484; Fri, 25 Jan 2019 19:24:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@cschubert.com) Received: from smtp-out-no.shaw.ca (smtp-out-no.shaw.ca [64.59.134.12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AC6E56BA74; Fri, 25 Jan 2019 19:24:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@cschubert.com) Received: from spqr.komquats.com ([70.67.125.17]) by shaw.ca with ESMTPA id n75tgS9OzMRX3n75ugGq8t; Fri, 25 Jan 2019 12:24:50 -0700 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=TL87tGta c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=VFtTW3WuZNDh6VkGe7fA3g==:117 a=VFtTW3WuZNDh6VkGe7fA3g==:17 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=3JhidrIBZZsA:10 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=YxBL1-UpAAAA:8 a=kMf0utG4AAAA:8 a=VbAVxdHerZVwCRJtpRQA:9 a=s0mv6imwWayWoiVk:21 a=-vMhdjYSkLB6WWO9:21 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=of2mfszF-hMA:10 a=IjZwj45LgO3ly-622nXo:22 a=Ia-lj3WSrqcvXOmTRaiG:22 a=TTWE1O2ssfbasxdXZsrT:22 Received: from android-68f84e02b5988183.esitwifi.local (S0106788a207e2972.gv.shawcable.net [70.66.154.233]) by spqr.komquats.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2EABEE74; Fri, 25 Jan 2019 11:25:25 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2019 11:24:26 -0800 User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: References: <20190125165751.kpcjjncmf7j7maxd@ivaldir.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Importing mksh in base To: Baptiste Daroussin , freebsd-arch@freebsd.org, arch@freebsd.org From: Cy Schubert Message-ID: <66278F75-5162-46A5-BF2A-DC4C3F0F35BD@cschubert.com> X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfCESxuSa/96+3JIpK3t7a+Y6oPnLGw1dNJBiPQQyLCj5dvAzbof9cBM2qVGEaBTOW1CSueUKkY/v2bdKQBerh4EGdQEP1fDChKxa6Nxrk9OSXzBk92g1 wH8dkmPq9bjV+M7CsqiloD2+NtH7+75URJNTEt+eYhQJkCeoec0zhsQ/dW/1u7SIPN8W6Aog6tq8nOjaBhqpbNjnuE4soaEguNJ1OIgrUaMRzgVWvNtnT9HD OLieOLeWGS0EFZAULTG8bw== X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: AC6E56BA74 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.99 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.988,0]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0] X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2019 19:24:52 -0000 First time I've tried replying inline on this newer phone=2E Bear with me a= s this reply may not look like I intend it to=2E On January 25, 2019 11:07:55 AM PST, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > > >Le 25 janvier 2019 18:12:58 GMT+01:00, Cy Schubert > a =C3=A9crit : >>On January 25, 2019 8:57:51 AM PST, Baptiste Daroussin >> wrote: >>>Hi everyone, >>> >>>I would like to import mksh in base, https://www=2Emirbsd=2Eorg/mksh=2E= htm >>>And make it the default root shell (not necessary in one step) >>> >>>Why: >>>1/ it is tiny 400k (in the packaged version) all other shells fitting >>>the >>>expectation are bigger >>>2/ it's default frontend in interactive mode is very close to what >>most >>>people >>>are used to with bash and shells as default root shell on other BSD >>and >>>most >>>linuxes >>>3/ from my narrow window csh as a default root shell is one of the >>>major >>>complaint (usually the first thing a user get faced to) from new >>comers >>>and >>>also for some long timers who are reinstalling a machine and have not >>>yet >>>installed/configured a bourne compatible shell >>> >>>What this proposal is _NOT_ about: >>>1/ the removal of tcsh from base >>>2/ any kid of denial of the quality and interest or features of csh >>> >>>What do you think? >>>Best regards, >>>Bapt >> >>Why not ksh93 instead? It is the original and authoritative Korn >shell=2E >>EPL is compatible with the BSD license=2E Personally, I've been toying >>with the idea of importing ksh93 for a while now=2E >> > >The reason I chose mksh is because it is heavily maintained and from >the testing I have done it was the "nicer" interface > Ksh93 is also heavily maintained=2E Look at their github activity=2E My k= sh93-devel port has been tracking updates (I consider important)=2E >>As to replacing root's shell, replacing tcsh is a large POLA >violation=2E > >It will not replace in existing installation just make it the default >in new installation I can t see how this is a POLA violation if it is >in new setup on new major version (upgrades won t be affacted) > >> Maybe give users the option at install time instead=2E=20 > >Doable, unsure it is worth it but yes we can do that if that is asked a >lot I'm less concerned about this and am willing to concede this point if I ha= ve to=2E However as ksh93 is IMO the better ksh and it's not a clone, it's the real= ksh, and the license is compatible, why would we settle on less than the = real thing? --=20 Pardon the typos and autocorrect, small keyboard in use=2E Cheers, Cy Schubert FreeBSD UNIX: Web: http://www=2EFreeBSD=2Eorg The need of the many outweighs the greed of the few=2E