Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 11:54:06 -0800 From: Robert Clark <res03db2@gte.net> To: Ted Mittelstaedt <tedm@toybox.placo.com> Cc: David Scheidt <rufus@brain.mics.net>, Mike Meyer <mwm@mired.org>, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: NatWest? no thanks Message-ID: <20011106115406.B53379@darkstar.gte.net> In-Reply-To: <004201c165e6$75c34720$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com>; from tedm@toybox.placo.com on Mon, Nov 05, 2001 at 02:41:43AM -0800 References: <Pine.BSI.4.20.0111040959300.2371-100000@brain.mics.net> <004201c165e6$75c34720$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com>
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On Mon, Nov 05, 2001 at 02:41:43AM -0800, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > >-----Original Message----- > >From: David Scheidt [mailto:rufus@brain.mics.net] > >Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 7:14 AM > >To: Ted Mittelstaedt > >Cc: Mike Meyer; advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG; chat@FreeBSD.ORG > >Subject: RE: NatWest? no thanks > > > > > >Most blind people aren't consumers of pornorgraphic images. You might find > >a blind person who wanted to gather some images to give to someone else, or > >something like that. > > > > But even then they cannot make selection decisions because they > cannot see what they are gathering and have no idea if the image is > a real picture or a picture of an advertisement or is even worth > looking at. So I think that > because of this reason it's impossible to argue that everything > on the Internet is usable by the blind and thus must be made > accessible. > > > > >It's a lot more complicated than that. First, it's not at all clear that > >were the ADA to apply to commercial web sites that it would be acceptable to > >require tha you use IE, as opposed to any generally accepted solution. > > Let's be clear on this, it's impossible for the > website to require IE - all the website can do is require that > the user use a web browser that appears to be IE. Since the browser is > operated by the user, it's really in the power of the user to send back any > browser ID string they feel like, support whatever active x ie supports, etc. > Any accessible browser that someone might develop could be made to emulate IE, > and in fact would have to do this to make it as accessible as possible. > (since the entire point of such a program would be to give access, spoofing > the ID is just another component of the access) How much of an incentive do companies have to make "spoofing" a browser a violation of the DMCA? -snip- > > > Frankly, I've never met a sighted person, upon seeing Flash on a website, > exclaim "Wow that really is something that really needs to be on this > website" The response generally is more along the lines of "get this > ^&*$ off the screen" I've gone to flash based sites just to see the flash. The "fatkid" stuff was good for a few laughs. > > So you won't get any arguements out of me if the Supreme Court tells all > commercial entities that Flash cannot be used because it doesen't meet > ADA. On the contrary I'll be jumping for joy. > > Keep in mind that I'm not arguing against a court judgement that forces the > issue of ADA on commercial websites. If one came down everyone, including > sighted persons, would benefit because there's far too much crappy HTML on > commercial sites as it is. For this purpose, was gopher better mosaic? > > What I do think, though, is that it's very easy to push this thing way too > far, much easier than something mundane like building access. It's easy > enough to argue that public buildings need ramp access - not only is it good > for the handicapped, but there's lots of normal everyday things like > deliveries on handcarts that don't go through the loading dock and why should > the minimum-wage UPS delivery kid have to throw out his back carrying loads up > steps all day long? But, while ADA access to commercial websites really needs > to be written into the law, it also needs to have a whole lot more exceptions > in it than building access. > > > Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com > Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide > Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message
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