From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Oct 9 23:24:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA27005 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 23:24:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers) Received: from sendero-ppp.i-connect.net (sendero-ppp.i-Connect.Net [206.190.143.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA26966 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 23:23:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shimon@sendero-ppp.i-connect.net) Received: (qmail 29147 invoked by uid 1000); 10 Oct 1997 06:24:21 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2-alpha-100597 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199710091911.MAA06915@usr08.primenet.com> Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 23:24:21 -0700 (PDT) Organization: Atlas Telecom From: Simon Shapiro To: Terry Lambert Subject: Re: group assignments from make world. Cc: fullermd@futuresouth.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, jkh@time.cdrom.com, (Warner Losh) Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi Terry Lambert; On 09-Oct-97 you wrote: ... > Does this strike anyone else as a discipline issue rather than > a user read-access control issue? Yes. It is what I mean by quantitive vs. qaulitive. We are discssing a rule implementation while the old one is not enforced. Too many rules, and this will become M$ Technet (or whatver they call it nowdays. Splitting the lists to more specialized is good, but the quality of our work is more important. If submitters will always do a make world on every patch before submitting, maybe 10% of the noise will go away (I usspect the number is too high, but we have seen that happen. Checkpoints are also useful; Take so many checkins, build (automatically, and publish the last successful checkpoint. Restricting cvs update downloads while an upload is in progress makes sense. I solve this one by careful monitoring of the cvsup run and double running, to get a clean, no-change run. But I am a novice to this... --- Sincerely Yours, Simon Shapiro Atlas Telecom Senior Architect 14355 SW Allen Blvd., Suite 130 Beaverton OR 97005 Shimon@i-Connect.Net Voice: 503.799.2313