From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 9 15:23:04 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBC9D1065670 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 2010 15:23:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ticso@cicely7.cicely.de) Received: from raven.bwct.de (raven.bwct.de [85.159.14.73]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 593758FC14 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 2010 15:23:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from cicely5.cicely.de ([10.1.1.7]) by raven.bwct.de (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id o19FMuLd050857 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 9 Feb 2010 16:22:56 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ticso@cicely7.cicely.de) Received: from cicely7.cicely.de (cicely7.cicely.de [10.1.1.9]) by cicely5.cicely.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id o19FMi0d028271 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 9 Feb 2010 16:22:44 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ticso@cicely7.cicely.de) Received: from cicely7.cicely.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cicely7.cicely.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id o19FMivU088275; Tue, 9 Feb 2010 16:22:44 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ticso@cicely7.cicely.de) Received: (from ticso@localhost) by cicely7.cicely.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id o19FMiG3088274; Tue, 9 Feb 2010 16:22:44 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ticso) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 16:22:44 +0100 From: Bernd Walter To: Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= Message-ID: <20100209152244.GA88115@cicely7.cicely.de> References: <201002082216.o18MFtQN009973@fire.js.berklix.net> <86eikuk317.fsf@ds4.des.no> <20100209135713.GI81255@cicely7.cicely.de> <866366jxbm.fsf@ds4.des.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <866366jxbm.fsf@ds4.des.no> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD cicely7.cicely.de 7.0-STABLE i386 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED=-1.8, BAYES_00=-2.599 autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on spamd.cicely.de Cc: mail25@bzerk.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, "Julian H. Stacey" , ticso@cicely.de Subject: Re: our little daemon abused as symbol of the evil X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: ticso@cicely.de List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 15:23:05 -0000 On Tue, Feb 09, 2010 at 03:30:37PM +0100, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: > Bernd Walter writes: > > There is no copyright in Germany. > > Yes, there is. Germany is signatory to the Berne convention. Ah - I was misslead by a lawyer, but I think he wasn't refering to copyright as such, but was just making clear about the old US copyright, which is still in the head of many people. Thanks for clearification. > > I'm not a lawyer, but there are many differences to copyright and I > > think the main one is that the German system automatically protects > > without the need to explicitly declare copyright. > > So does copyright. > > > E.g. there is not need to add copyright lines in sourcecode to prohibit > > others to republish your code in Germany. > > It is not necessary anywhere in the world. It is still a good idea, > just like it's a good idea to mark your laptop with indelible ink, even > though stealing it is just as illegal if you don't. > > > Another difference (to my knowledge) is that the author never looses his > > right (though there are a few rules about age and inheritage) - no > > matter how much it is spread. > > The same goes for copyright (author's lifetime + 70 years) > > > The author can't even sell it, all he can do is sell the right to use it. > > I'm pretty sure there are provisions for "work for hire". > > > You can easily loose copyright and trademarks if you don't care about > > it, but you don't loose your author rights. > > You can *not* lose copyright through dilution, only trademarks. > > At worst, you might lose an infringement suit if the defendant can show > that you knew about *that particular case* long before you filed suit, > but it would not invalidate your copyright, nor would it diminish your > standing in other suits against other infringers. > > DES > -- > Dag-Erling Smørgrav - des@des.no > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- B.Walter http://www.bwct.de Modbus/TCP Ethernet I/O Baugruppen, ARM basierte FreeBSD Rechner uvm.