From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 31 22:55:33 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67A9216A4CE for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 22:55:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from srv1.cosmo-project.de (srv1.cosmo-project.de [213.83.6.106]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F1D843D58 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 22:55:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ticso@cicely12.cicely.de) Received: from cicely5.cicely.de (cicely5.cicely.de [10.1.1.7]) (authenticated bits=0)j2VMtMsf056797 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=OK); Fri, 1 Apr 2005 00:55:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ticso@cicely12.cicely.de) Received: from cicely12.cicely.de (cicely12.cicely.de [IPv6:3ffe:400:8d0:301::12]) by cicely5.cicely.de (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2VMsjhs016465 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 1 Apr 2005 00:54:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ticso@cicely12.cicely.de) Received: from cicely12.cicely.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cicely12.cicely.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j2VMsirD006457; Fri, 1 Apr 2005 00:54:44 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ticso@cicely12.cicely.de) Received: (from ticso@localhost) by cicely12.cicely.de (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id j2VMsiNJ006456; Fri, 1 Apr 2005 00:54:44 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ticso) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 00:54:44 +0200 From: Bernd Walter To: ticso@cicely.de, Wilko Bulte , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050331225443.GM2072@cicely12.cicely.de> References: <20050331014311.GA96606@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20050331103614.GL33677@cicely12.cicely.de> <20050331191205.GJ37984@funkthat.com> <20050331210646.GI2072@cicely12.cicely.de> <20050331223347.GK37984@funkthat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050331223347.GK37984@funkthat.com> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD cicely12.cicely.de 5.2-CURRENT alpha User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_40 autolearn=no version=2.64 X-Spam-Report: * -0.0 BAYES_40 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 40 to 44% * [score: 0.4092] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on cicely12.cicely.de Subject: Re: So, who makes this one run FreeBSD? ;-) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: ticso@cicely.de List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 22:55:33 -0000 On Thu, Mar 31, 2005 at 02:33:48PM -0800, John-Mark Gurney wrote: > Bernd Walter wrote this message on Thu, Mar 31, 2005 at 23:06 +0200: > > On Thu, Mar 31, 2005 at 11:12:05AM -0800, John-Mark Gurney wrote: > > > Bernd Walter wrote this message on Thu, Mar 31, 2005 at 12:36 +0200: > > > > But considered the small price distance to the smallest Soekris, > > > > which runs FreeBSD, only the size and supply power is an interesting > > > > point. > > > > > > Or you can look at the TS-7200 from http://www.embeddedarm.com/ . It's > > > smaller than a Soekris, and is slightly larger than the PC-104 form > > > factor.. Right now I have it netbooting, but I need to figure out why > > > I have some ethernet issues... The code is in p4, though if people > > > are really interested, I can generate a patch... > > > > It costs more then the Soekris 4526-20 and is only slightly smaller in > > size. > > plus has dual mini-pci.. while the TS-7200 only has PC-104 (basicly ISA).. Both have their pro's. PC-104 ist definitively cheaper to add custom hardware to, but also slower. > > And the 4526 doesn't need regulated power plus has onboard ata flash. > > also looks like it supports PoE, which the TS-7200 doesn't... Right > now I'm using a breadboarded LM7805 for power, but I am going to build > a daughter card for this project, and so I'm going to throw a switching > power supply on it.. so the regulated requirement isn't such a big deal.. > also, it doesn't need as much power either.. TS says only 1 AMP at 5V > is necessary... I haven't measured it yet though... 1A is a lot to handle with a linar regulator, but this may include power to additional hardware - e.g. USB ports. > > But this is still an interesting board after all - especially as it has > > USB ports and lot of GPIO, which I need sometimes. > > USB on Soekris require add-on hardware our pricier boards. > > How stable is FreeBSD on ARMv9 already? > > I didn't even know that it is running yet. > > So far it's been fine.. There may be issues with optimized crossbuilt > worlds from i386... But I can boot multiuser mode, and it runs all the > scripts and everything to come up... That's great. > As I mentioned the ethernet is a bit flaky... For some reason, some > packets have the underrun and carrier loss bit set on them.. This is > the case on packets around 80 bytes in size (like reverse dns packets > for 192.168.0.1, but not 192.168.0.10), and may be a timing issue that > I'm not familar with... But nfs root boots fine... Well that's just a bug with lot of hope to get fixed. > I do plan on figuring it out... USB doesn't work yet, it does probe, > but causes issues.. and even though they say it's USB 2.0, it's only > for electrical... No ehci controler.. the USB controller is ohci, and > so only supports up to full speed usb (12Mb/s)... I personally use USB on such systems for attaching custom hardware. Full speed is fine for that. Since you say it's OHCI there is hope and I know you are familar with USB host controllers. It's OK to claim a full/low speed only device beeing USB 2.0. High speed isn't mandandory for 2.0. > Also, this work isn't directly sponsored by TS, so it doesn't have any > drivers for their other boards, like the RTC, serial or lcd + keypad > parts that NetBSD does... At least the documentation is good - and between the lines I read that NetBSD support the board too. > The real reason why I'm using the TS-7200 is because it had on board > AC'97 and I2S support (they aren't exposed to headers so I plan on > soldering my own wires to the chip)... Which soekris definately doesn't > have... :) The Soekris CPUs have lots of features that arn't wired. But it's hopeless since the CPUs are BGA. > dmesg from my last boot is at: http://people.freebsd.org/~jmg/dmesg.ts7200 I don't know where to put it performancewise to x86 systems. Does it feel slow on ssh? e.g. how long does it take to log in? > As you can see, no RTC.. :) > 18 Mar 15:36:25 ntpdate[241]: step time server 192.168.0.30 offset 1111188933.058709 sec A matter of time :) -- B.Walter BWCT http://www.bwct.de bernd@bwct.de info@bwct.de