From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 28 21:34:23 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88DA537524D for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 21:34:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BGVLQ3Yz0z3gBV for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 21:34:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from bell.riseup.net (bell-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.178]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BGVLM4SgQzFdsc for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 14:34:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1595972059; bh=KxO5pazuP95ORYnlEw/8fm5yaD/yJ1Q58DCGd97TYNM=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=kcmpGpYd0pLbSyFd6zlnQ6B4tB/LHOmjs1ucHe1g/+G/s7hRyCYJf3SqkYPh0JJXC C/C2kYgvXt/kEFgBOp2FbRXLBk1I/SS6R3EWr11o4RZ9a/YvfIOnk2XkxBeX99Ecil tD6gUWj1Zc60nss5YhxS79spVLmLNxTZ6eiudeV4= X-Riseup-User-ID: 04A2A9F8A373CE52FBFAD6AD7F0C2EF088142DB3F2514CACB4D67F2626CB115E Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bell.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4BGVLL6R82zJms7 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 14:34:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 23:34:15 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ask stupid questions and you'll get a stupid answers, was: Technological advantages over Linux Message-ID: <20200728233415.506d40b3@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20200728123928.7c3a8cb2@bigus.dream-tech.com> References: <20200214121620.GA80657@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200214141600.GA82559@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200214204838.360c8f624397c659946bd764@sohara.org> <20200215063818.GE1482@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200215083359.367d8a3e9ddb4942df67d5b5@sohara.org> <58202623-bbf7-eda0-5cb5-fb4749e91e20@watters.ws> <6318251A-973A-4DEC-9271-12333EB11F7B@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20200728124008.2b43ee7f@archlinux> <20200728123928.7c3a8cb2@bigus.dream-tech.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BGVLQ3Yz0z3gBV X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=kcmpGpYd; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf-mardorf@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf-mardorf@riseup.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.47 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.95)[-0.946]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.92)[-0.916]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.01)[-1.009]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 21:34:23 -0000 On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 12:39:28 -0700, Dave Hayes wrote: >I'll note that, in my observation, "stupid" is an arbitrary subjective >standard. Don't take my replies to this kind of thread too serious. OTOH while it sounds absurd, the pointer to use default themes, such as Adwaita for GTK apps, before considering something more complex as the culprit for serious issues, isn't a joke. I regret to say that sometimes just dropping hardware and buying new hardware is also a comfortable way to get rid of some issues. At the moment I'm experiencing now and then short freezes when booted into Linux >=3D 5.6 kernels. I don't know if the issue exactly started at 5.6 or a little earlier or later. It still happens with 5.7.10. If I boot with or without threadirqs. Due to other issues with rt patched kernels I anyway stay with kernels < 5. All is good when booted into 4.19.132-rt59. If nobody else does experience the same issue, I could start biscting. Doing this would most likely take days, without guarantee that it will lead to something useful. I bought the Gigabyte GA-B853M-D3H mobo for 56,- =E2=82=AC and the Intel Ce= leron Dual Core G1840 for 31,- =E2=82=AC and pay around 50,- =E2=82=AC for 8 GiB = RAM, around 3 or 4 years ago. At the moment 4.19 kernels are supported, if they should get dropped when I used the hardware for around 5 years, I prefer to pay again around 150,-=E2=82=AC for hardware that likely works with what ever operating system I want to use, instead of trying to get rid of issues e.g. caused by kernel regressions. If there should be an issue related to the used SSDs and the kernel, then I need to pay a little bit more, but I don't think so. I only need hardware that can handle the amount of real-time DSP load when doing audio productions, by providing low audio latency and that doesn't consume much power, since a kilowatt hour is very expensive in Germany. In my experiences neither the latest and greatest hardware, nor very old hardware is the best choice for FLOSS operating systems. For some purposes old hardware works without issues and we could have good luck with the latest and greatest hardware, too. Hardware that isn't too old and not to new is the best bet to work without issues. I'm not surprised that the subscriber whining the most about bad performance of Linux and Linux software on FreeBSD, but with good experiences when using Windows, is using a very new generation of computer technology.