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Date:      Fri, 6 Jul 2012 11:09:59 -0600
From:      Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com>
To:        Wojciech Puchar <wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
Cc:        Eitan Adler <lists@eitanadler.com>, Jonathan McKeown <j.mckeown@ru.ac.za>, Chris Rees <utisoft@gmail.com>, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Training wheels for commandline (was Re: Pull in upstream before 9.1 code freeze?)
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On Jul 6, 2012, at 10:46 AM, Wojciech Puchar wrote:

>>=20
>> The system should be optimized for new users by default. Whether this
>> means enabling or disabling a feature is feature-specific.
>>=20
> with such attitude it will not take long to turn FreeBSD to useless =
thing, not really different from linux or windows, and about as useful

Actually, systems should be optimized to be most useful for the largest =
number of users.  I tend to agree with the sentiment expressed elsewhere =
in this thread: it should be OFF by default in the base, but we should =
encourage distributions that cater to new and/or users of other =
platforms to turn a feature like this on.

I'm neutral on the error message, but changing it to say 'fred: Command =
not found. See pkg_which(8).' or something like that is easy.  On the =
other hand, we tend to not do that elsewhere for error messages.  This =
is a fairly easy thing to do to trim fat off this problem, which may be =
exceptional enough to call for an exception to our usual practice.

Warner





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