From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Sep 5 9:42: 0 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0EB637B400 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:41:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from directvinternet.com (dsl-65-185-140-165.telocity.com [65.185.140.165]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B44143E3B for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:41:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nwestfal@directvinternet.com) Received: from Tolstoy.home.lan (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by directvinternet.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85GftGd041748; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:41:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nwestfal@directvinternet.com) Received: from localhost (nwestfal@localhost) by Tolstoy.home.lan (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) with ESMTP id g85GftnJ041745; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:41:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: Tolstoy.home.lan: nwestfal owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:41:54 -0700 (PDT) From: "Neal E. Westfall" X-X-Sender: nwestfal@Tolstoy.home.lan To: Dave Hayes Cc: Terry Lambert , Subject: Re: Why did evolution fail? In-Reply-To: <200209050618.g856Ii189601@hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org> Message-ID: <20020905093315.G41451-100000@Tolstoy.home.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, Dave Hayes wrote: > Neal E Westfall writes: > >> >> > What questions which cannot be dealt with rationally? > >> >> > >> >> "Is there a God?" "Why are we here?" "What is the one difference > >> >> between a sacred being and an evil being?" > >> >> > >> >> Those are some examples. Have fun. ;) > >> > > >> > How to deal with them rationally: "I don't know". > >> > >> That is the first step to wisdom. |) > > > > Either that, or "The fear of the Lord...etc." (Prov. 1:7) > > 8-) > > I completely disagree that fear has anything to do with any supreme > being of the universe. > > If you are in fear of Hell or in desire of Heaven, these are not > appropriate reasons to go around supporting God. You may be suprised, but I agree. Fear of Hell or desire of Heaven *are not* proper motivations for serving God. Hence the Psalmist's statement that fear of the Lord is the *beginning* of wisdom. God must be served out of a perfect motivation. Does anybody have that? No, hence the need for a savior who paid the price of my sins on my behalf, but also served and obeyed God from perfect motivation on my behalf. When God looks at me in Christ, he does not see all my sin and rebellion, but only the perfect righteousness of Christ. > (Good lord, how did I get into a -real- religious argument? ;) ) These issues come up from time to time. 8-) Neal To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message