From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Thu Aug 4 21:44:16 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC9B3BAF3C9 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2016 21:44:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Mark.Martinec+freebsd@ijs.si) Received: from mail.ijs.si (mail.ijs.si [IPv6:2001:1470:ff80::25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6153B17A5 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2016 21:44:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Mark.Martinec+freebsd@ijs.si) Received: from amavis-ori.ijs.si (localhost [IPv6:::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.ijs.si (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3s53Ns57v2z16q for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2016 23:44:13 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=ijs.si; h= user-agent:message-id:references:in-reply-to:organization :subject:subject:from:from:date:date:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:content-type:mime-version:received:received :received:received; s=jakla4; t=1470347050; x=1472939051; bh=/E9 2ywG7fN3n4mVpfMJE4Iv7HOhfsQWimqRYrZJpmxQ=; b=FCTRvbDVkqsM3X9qMew f67iKF7l4scu8oFNnMVPWpvYrk69frpauDM2ktXDZj5c2/wsU6v5YhR2SCSuWNol ILRhWNNdZsRG6kK40eqVtULEGusybju9MGgSr+U020HdSp3pTTn/LFf5oT5LUnSZ HAlsID5sNAoxEYhMYaB4cS+E= X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ijs.si Received: from mail.ijs.si ([IPv6:::1]) by amavis-ori.ijs.si (mail.ijs.si [IPv6:::1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with LMTP id v-EQy3lDxF-O for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2016 23:44:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mildred.ijs.si (mailbox.ijs.si [IPv6:2001:1470:ff80::143:1]) by mail.ijs.si (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3s53Np3bqVz16n for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2016 23:44:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from nabiralnik.ijs.si (nabiralnik.ijs.si [IPv6:2001:1470:ff80::80:16]) by mildred.ijs.si (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3s53Np2llszb for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2016 23:44:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from sleepy.ijs.si (2001:1470:ff80:e001::1:1) by webmail.ijs.si with HTTP (HTTP/1.1 POST); Thu, 04 Aug 2016 23:44:10 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2016 23:44:10 +0200 From: Mark Martinec To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: date(1) default format changed between 10.3 and 11.0-BETA3 Organization: Jozef Stefan Institute In-Reply-To: <3629a441-ee6d-2407-fa13-5ebd8db8d802@freebsd.org> References: <3629a441-ee6d-2407-fa13-5ebd8db8d802@freebsd.org> Message-ID: <000c29ee0f3dbd1d433c565023d69e25@mailbox.ijs.si> X-Sender: Mark.Martinec+freebsd@ijs.si User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.2.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2016 21:44:16 -0000 Should I open a bug report, or has the problem been noted? Mark On 2016-08-04 04:32, Julian Elischer wrote: > On 4/08/2016 7:24 AM, Mark Martinec wrote: >> Is it normal/expected/documented that the date(1) command in 11.0 >> now produces a timestamp in substantially different format >> in an "en_US.UTF-8" locale (long names, commas, 12 vs. 24h hour time): >> >> Thursday, August 4, 2016 at 12:50:43 AM CEST >> vs: >> Thu Aug 4 00:52:29 CEST 2016 >> > one of those is a bug. the formats are defined in posix I believe. > >> >> Setting LC_TIME does not help: >> >> $ LC_TIME="C" date >> Thursday, August 4, 2016 at 01:13:37 AM CEST >> >> although LC_ALL="C" _does_ help. >> >> >> This is funny too, especially regarding commas: >> $ LC_ALL="en_GB.UTF-8" date >> Thursday 4 August 2016 at 01:16:45 CEST >> $ LC_ALL="en_US.UTF-8" date >> Thursday, August 4, 2016 at 01:16:54 AM CEST >> >> >> The date(1) man page states: >> The date utility is expected to be compatible with IEEE Std 1003.2 >> (“POSIX.2”). >> What does POSIX.2 say about date(1) following a locale? >> >> >> >> ====== >> 11.0-BETA3: >> >> $ date >> Thursday, August 4, 2016 at 12:50:43 AM CEST >> >> $ uname -a >> FreeBSD xxx.ijs.si 11.0-BETA3 FreeBSD 11.0-BETA3 #0 r303469: Fri Jul >> 29 02:27:28 UTC 2016 >> root@releng2.nyi.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 >> >> $ locale >> LANG= >> LC_CTYPE="en_US.UTF-8" >> LC_COLLATE="en_US.UTF-8" >> LC_TIME="en_US.UTF-8" >> LC_NUMERIC="en_US.UTF-8" >> LC_MONETARY="en_US.UTF-8" >> LC_MESSAGES="en_US.UTF-8" >> LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 >> >> ====== >> 10.3-RELEASE-p6 : >> >> $ date >> Thu Aug 4 00:52:29 CEST 2016 >> >> $ freebsd-version >> 10.3-RELEASE-p6 >> >> $ uname -a >> FreeBSD yyy.ijs.si 10.3-RELEASE-p4 FreeBSD 10.3-RELEASE-p4 #0: Sat May >> 28 12:23:44 UTC 2016 >> root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 >> >> $ locale >> LANG= >> LC_CTYPE="en_US.UTF-8" >> LC_COLLATE="en_US.UTF-8" >> LC_TIME="en_US.UTF-8" >> LC_NUMERIC="en_US.UTF-8" >> LC_MONETARY="en_US.UTF-8" >> LC_MESSAGES="en_US.UTF-8" >> LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 >> >> >> >> Mark