From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 16 16:26:15 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C317E16A4CE for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 16:26:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from makeworld.com (makeworld.com [198.92.228.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2E8A43D2D for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 16:26:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from racerx@makeworld.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.com [127.0.0.1]) by makeworld.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16EE76110; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 10:26:14 -0600 (CST) Received: from makeworld.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (makeworld.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 67856-08; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 10:26:09 -0600 (CST) Received: by makeworld.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 7537F6130; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 10:26:09 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by makeworld.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DD7E6129; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 10:26:09 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 10:26:09 -0600 (CST) From: RacerX To: "Andrew L. Gould" In-Reply-To: <200502160809.10039.algould@datawok.com> Message-ID: <20050216101817.Y67991@makeworld.com> References: <42125E71.30804@tbc.net> <42129CCB.5030203@makeworld.com> <4212FB17.5070600@nbritton.org> <200502160809.10039.algould@datawok.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by ClamAV 0.75.1/amavisd-new-2.2.1 (20041222) at makeworld.com - Isn't it ironic cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Assuming We Want FreeBSD to Grow: Who Is It For? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 16:26:15 -0000 On Wed, 16 Feb 2005, Andrew L. Gould wrote: > On Wednesday 16 February 2005 01:49 am, Nikolas Britton wrote: >> Chris wrote: >>> Joshua Tinnin wrote: >>>> On Tuesday 15 February 2005 12:41 pm, Shawn Harrison >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>>> So, we want lots of people to adopt FreeBSD. Who are they? >>> >>> To me? They are users that are: >>> >>> 1. Fed up with the MS upgrades >>> 2. Fed up with paying too much for software (apps and OS) >>> 3. Looking for a viable alternative to the MS empire >>> 4. NOT your average Windows user. >> >> 5. Fed up with Linux. >> 6. Wanting to learn (more) about UNIX. >> 7. People that just want to be different. >> 8. Those that need/want more control over there computer or want to >> do things there own way. >> 9. Need more power then Windows / Microsoft has to offer. >> 10. Low end / old systems and embedded / industrial systems that need >> an OS. >> > 11. Fed up with vendors' rigid products and empty promises. > > Andrew Gould > Agreed - to me, and I'm not speaking for all (like some here do) *I* myself would like to see FBSD continue in the direction it's going. There isn't anything wrong with a select group of folks being targeted. I don't care if the every-day Windows user ever gets a chance to use or install FreeBSD. It's not for those folks. Never was, and to me, it never ought to be. It's designed for the "compatent" user. The user that know more then a thing or two about OS and hardware. ANY decent user of FBSD CAN install X, CAN install a WM, and CAN have it run very well as a desktop. To me, I don't want this OS for the mindless group of users that are out there. And lastly - FBSD CAN be a solid desktop OS IF the end user wants it to be. Let's STOP saying it isn't or it can't be. Those that say that (in my mind) have failed to get it running on their own devices. As I mentioned before - I have and do use FBSD as both a server and desktop. Have been doing it for a few years, and I'm by no means a unix guru. If *I* can do it, most anyone that WANTS to can do. Let's stop saying it's not a desktop OS - that's simply wrong. Many of us use it for exactly that - for those that have tried and failed at it, I can see why you feel that way - but at least say it from a personal view - not as gospel... That's the most irritating thing to read is someone stating that as a global truth when in fact, it is not. Over and out. Best regards, Chris