From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 12 8:31:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from ns.yogotech.com (ns.yogotech.com [206.127.123.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8404B37B58C; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 08:31:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nate@yogotech.com) Received: from nomad.yogotech.com (nomad.yogotech.com [206.127.123.131]) by ns.yogotech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA25818; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:31:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate@nomad.yogotech.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by nomad.yogotech.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA08923; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:31:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:31:01 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200006121531.JAA08923@nomad.yogotech.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Mike Smith Cc: Julian Elischer , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: kerneld for FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <200006090323.UAA01210@mass.cdrom.com> References: <393F55AD.446B9B3D@elischer.org> <200006090323.UAA01210@mass.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > Not to mention "how much memory do you really gain by unloading modules"? > > > Considering the price of RAM these days (although not as low as > > > it was, but I won't be spending $650 US for 16M any time soon > > > again), the few K that unloading a bunch of modules saves won't > > > EVER really be noticed by the 83Tb chunk that Nutscrape allocates. > ... > > The issue is with really small ram embedded systems. > > Making things CAPABLE of being small is different from making > > them dynamicly loadable. > > Nobody in their right mind is going to produce a "really small ram" > embedded system that features the sort of nondeterminism that > "automatically" (read 'randomly') unloading modules would involve. Gee, I guess you better tell the QNX folks that, who've been doing such things for as long as you've been programming. Everyone is an idiot or a completely lunatic if they don't agree with you completely? From the last week... > The bulletheads will brand me a "libertarian" (not really correct), > any sort of mandate to turn the Project into a bannana republic; all > this talk going on is breeze between a small group of windy > individuals who appear to be deluding themselves into thinking they > speak for the rest of the community. > I think that you're incredibly naive. > This is all insane speculation, and totally off the mark. > Many Americans think their version of democracy works fine, too. > This is just a Really Pointless Idea. > Nobody in their right mind is going to produce ... Seems like everything is black/white for you lately Mike. Thought about taking a vacation to cool off and relax? Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message