From owner-svn-src-all@freebsd.org Tue Aug 9 04:43:44 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-all@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D42FBB2443 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2016 04:43:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-io0-x235.google.com (mail-io0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5EB2A1385 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2016 04:43:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mail-io0-x235.google.com with SMTP id b62so1660557iod.3 for ; Mon, 08 Aug 2016 21:43:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=gmzklx7Nwiqy1R4fU/m0OEJCevSlaDktBJFVUAJmdqo=; b=O7gCJC3x/YvKBnE97ckHnK/SjkBp/eBdk0fzQi0THa+g1yhpONdrHVIgB2cXxk3V7S zTk75mw8Q42NVi6Hat4W3JyNLS3tRxRNRglkNPyIYLds3N3DQtBbLy7o1tDXQv7T6D1u jxpN8lj/gsw35xFNGI4Jwx8XijO1BlygJoiooaL6bUgfYCkeqwrjjvyflM9BwfVkD+cd akaaffTZ5Vd8JtgrTCdCTev/ic+pqo3e65AGgYYJr5UISaHZCwNLuzhdDjTs27w5Nos3 zeTwvRyO/nnwsedlTChXxvR5uuE1Ehq1mirR9M5tp/nsClO8IgyibsYpny2q0CBVX5Qd AZGQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=gmzklx7Nwiqy1R4fU/m0OEJCevSlaDktBJFVUAJmdqo=; b=N4lLKhAnuSOQ11opcnkR9NeQeOBphZVBPydlzvFyo/JafTGrxc3zu9QsRn1S5vnvd0 bM/jqHEPJtDOiTS9oaiQ/htfe+0vH/27teLfQ1/KkkhdKyMRDW2OCCW7Oj4PmelWxrQ+ 05BogiKq0qrpDARV/sl6IAIG/nyRguEdYjWna/9qIHeIRHkGwD5QqUnO1Nwie4eik9sT P+kf1yN5jp3TKdYGu4372U0TGHYDaPSwgVtB9OfKCgMlpTvpUmW4w1A3MKWFLmRhJrPa k0AbD0oiC47W+tQFG1BzKGBd6AHu79XJQf04I9sbFE22gDDR/eqQv90q5A7pnVJMziQZ zqrw== X-Gm-Message-State: AEkooutyWyL3NE3Hr/k0N2BDyRgGIm+m6hU1s7+AZzJUbqXQ0s9IbvAFpPCN1j1++8Wm02QPW8MVIWp58mLoeQ== X-Received: by 10.107.145.214 with SMTP id t205mr92931224iod.135.1470717823586; Mon, 08 Aug 2016 21:43:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: wlosh@bsdimp.com Received: by 10.36.65.105 with HTTP; Mon, 8 Aug 2016 21:43:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [69.53.245.200] In-Reply-To: <20160808072547.GA19715@spindle.one-eyed-alien.net> References: <201608031608.u73G8Mjq055909@repo.freebsd.org> <9a01870a-d99d-13a2-54bd-01d32616263c@fastmail.net> <30e655d1-1df7-5e2a-fccb-269e3cea4684@freebsd.org> <20160807204039.GB79784@server.rulingia.com> <8371434C-86F6-4DCB-82D4-F236BBC2F9A2@bsdimp.com> <226b9a3c-8ca8-af31-7665-86d51365fc81@delphij.net> <20160808072547.GA19715@spindle.one-eyed-alien.net> From: Warner Losh Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 22:43:42 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Wfuis-qjVyv_isoZJ5DHgyAvSUg Message-ID: Subject: Re: svn commit: r303716 - head/crypto/openssh To: Brooks Davis Cc: Xin Li , Andrey Chernov , Xin LI , Peter Jeremy , Bruce Simpson , Oliver Pinter , "Dag-Erling Sm??rgrav" , src-committers , "svn-src-all@freebsd.org" , "svn-src-head@freebsd.org" , FreeBSD Security Team , FreeBSD Release Engineering Team Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 09 Aug 2016 10:55:55 +0000 X-BeenThere: svn-src-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "SVN commit messages for the entire src tree \(except for " user" and " projects" \)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2016 04:43:44 -0000 On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 1:25 AM, Brooks Davis wrote: > On Sun, Aug 07, 2016 at 03:48:44PM -0700, Xin Li wrote: >> >> >> On 8/7/16 14:20, Warner Losh wrote: >> > >> >> On Aug 7, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Andrey Chernov wrote: >> >> >> >>> OTOH, FreeBSD has a documented deprecation process that says things will >> >>> continue working for a major release after being formally deprecated. >> >> >> >> FreeBSD 11 is not released yet (betas are not counted), stable-10 too, >> >> so it is right time to deprecate for them. >> > >> > Nice try, but feature freeze was months ago. Have you got buy in from the >> > security officer and the release engineer? >> >> Well, despite the fact that I have to admit that I get locked out from >> my own storage box too, however (even without wearing any hat) I am for >> the change and would blame myself for being lazy in adopting the change >> when the upstream have announced it earlier about a year ago. > > While the timing sucks, I don't see any way around this change given our > experience with the HPN patches and that upstream plans to kill this > feature, we must not ship 11 with support enabled. There's just no > practical way to keep adding back a feature for 4-5 years. Then we should put http://www.openssh.com/legacy.html in the release notes, UPDATING and maybe the man page. Warner