From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 1 16:32:25 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2EDC16A4CE for ; Mon, 1 Mar 2004 16:32:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from ozlabs.org (ozlabs.org [203.10.76.45]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D38A43D2F for ; Mon, 1 Mar 2004 16:32:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from blackwater.lemis.com (blackwater.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by ozlabs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FC642BEA0 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 2004 11:32:23 +1100 (EST) Received: by blackwater.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 50C0551213; Tue, 2 Mar 2004 11:02:21 +1030 (CST) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 11:02:21 +1030 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: "Scott I. Remick" Message-ID: <20040302003221.GI71140@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <200403011109.33238.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> <20040301194121.97837.qmail@web41108.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="hTiIB9CRvBOLTyqY" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040301194121.97837.qmail@web41108.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Daemon's Advocate article X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 00:32:25 -0000 --hTiIB9CRvBOLTyqY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Monday, 1 March 2004 at 11:41:21 -0800, Scott I. Remick wrote: > --- Johnson David wrote: >> I'm a desktop user. I have noticed more than once some active disdain >> towards the desktop by FreeBSD developers. Why is this? Did I miss the >> sign out front saying "servers only"? You don't have to be a >> dumb-downed system like Lindows to be suitable for the desktop. > > I have to concur. For some reason, there seems to be a common attitude that > if you use FreeBSD to any extent, you must be a C++ programmer with the > ability to write drivers and patch applications. While I fully respect the > fact that this is a volunteer effort, the above can come off as rather harsh > and deterring for a new user. We FreeBSD users often scold the Linux > community for their attitude problems... why must we replace one bad > attitude with another in our own community? > > The people who volunteer their free time for the good of the FreeBSD > community can do a lot of things in their sleep which are beyond the > abilities of the common desktop user. Perhaps some have some free time, > perhaps others find a request simple enough that they can balance their time > to handle something that would help someone else. But to make a polite > request and get back "Why don't you port it yourself if you want it?" or > "patch/driver submissions welcome" conveys an impression that FreeBSD is for > developers only... if you can't code, your input isn't desired. Yes, this attitude gets on my nerves too. > I'm sorry to see Greg leave. I own his book and found it very useful. I'm not leaving: I'm still here. I've just left the core team. Greg -- Note: I discard all HTML mail unseen. Finger grog@FreeBSD.org for PGP public key. See complete headers for address and phone numbers. --hTiIB9CRvBOLTyqY Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFAQ9YVIubykFB6QiMRAv9LAJ4yxJwXsTpB1Z/SypAl/BILjoGCyACdE56S 8/YtzzPxqf9aN9jEOUwQQ58= =awfN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --hTiIB9CRvBOLTyqY--