From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 8 00:08:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CEE216A41C for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 00:08:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from oceanare@pacific.net.sg) Received: from salvador.pacific.net.sg (salvador.pacific.net.sg [203.120.90.219]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 39EE543D5C for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 00:08:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from oceanare@pacific.net.sg) Received: (qmail 16066 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2005 00:08:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maxwell2.pacific.net.sg) (203.120.90.192) by salvador with SMTP; 8 Jun 2005 00:08:40 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.107] ([210.24.246.101]) by maxwell2.pacific.net.sg with ESMTP id <20050608000840.FHVG1130.maxwell2.pacific.net.sg@[192.168.0.107]>; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 08:08:40 +0800 Message-ID: <42A636FC.5090800@pacific.net.sg> Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 08:08:28 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky Organization: oceanare pte ltd User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050514) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lowell Gilbert References: <42A4FD3F.70407@pacific.net.sg> <44y89mb1e0.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <20050607175303.GA96525@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> <44acm2m41k.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> In-Reply-To: <44acm2m41k.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: apple moving to x86 X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 00:08:44 -0000 Hi, Lowell Gilbert wrote: > David Kelly writes: > > >>On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 12:03:03PM -0400, Lowell Gilbert wrote: >> >>>Jared writes: >>> >>I think Apple will cause the PC market to clean up their act. To make >>hardware that actually does what it says it will do. Something Microsoft >>either never understood or lacked the guts to enforce. > > > I don't see where the pressure for that kind of change would come from. > Neither company has ever made many specific claims about what the > hardware should do. And I'm not sure they should; I'm really not a fan > of general purpose computing systems being tied to specific hardware. The PC is a very specific piece of hardware. Plus, it is also a very screwed one. Take a closer look at its interrupt and DMA systems. Both were outdated when IBM introduced the PC but the industry got stuck with them. Check the those systems in much older hardware from DEC or even from smaller systems like the Z-80. Many of the problems even FreeBSD has (had) would have never have appeared with the interrupt and DAM controllers at the peripheral's side, Erich