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To: Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de>
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On Sat, 9 Nov 2019 15:48:27 +0100
Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de> wrote:

> I've read about this attitude a lot, and it seems that there
> really were problems with x.0 releases in the past

	Typically x.0 releases are the first ones after a major change in
the codebase (with FreeBSD it allows ABI changes that break compatibility),
IOW there's usually more code meeting the world for the first time than
other releases and so they tend to be more problematic than other releases.

-- 
Steve O'Hara-Smith <steve@sohara.org>