From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Nov 9 18:34:08 2019 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF243178B35 for <freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org>; Sat, 9 Nov 2019 18:34:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 479QlM4s64z42VY for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Sat, 9 Nov 2019 18:34:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1573324448; x=1575916448; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=nie1sVfCfE6owyrd/qe6iBDPFbvRVXJuVXaMvswCUkI=; b=vuV6Q2RPvSc09IUHSYxUtkScsNvZ3FSVupc8VlW64u3dxcbRpVngOcmxLkPq0r2fjIkRqQzC4IjvPXfMcvwqIVZWxLrQM4T7yFDeLflgJ4LZ0DpsIL4YLZwIFPnIjmrtba4Ouah+SQAdrh+ElZK+Q3XSgfpwncGSkf+3aG4OO6s= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi4xYzcwMDAwMDI4YWViZTEuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r3.sg.in.socketlabs.com (r3.sg.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.179.13]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP; Sat, 9 Nov 2019 13:33:59 -0500 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r3.sg.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Sat, 9 Nov 2019 13:33:58 -0500 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.92.3 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from <steve@sohara.org>) id 1iTVYb-000C3I-8N; Sat, 09 Nov 2019 18:33:57 +0000 Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2019 18:33:56 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith <steve@sohara.org> To: Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de> Cc: Tomasz CEDRO <tomek@cedro.info>, "James E. Pace" <james@pacehouse.com>, FreeBSD Questions Mailing List <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: 12.1 on Thinkpad - problem making graphics work Message-Id: <20191109183356.76307bdc4ab6f0a1f68c0acd@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <20191109154827.42b0b2e1.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <CAN1es4Jqy17VZeJkEFrUtX872929eLt78Bmrc20jPcernhk88A@mail.gmail.com> <CAN1es4Lab0uvZRPb51PaSjDDOH+9ZQTQedi1xvKO+Cbnsbr20g@mail.gmail.com> <20191108194652.50c4f8e7c87ec76b9abc6e19@sohara.org> <CAFYkXjkWLwfZaBwR6pXRp18ZWV76B2+BwUeuyKVTgv6Trzy_qQ@mail.gmail.com> <20191108200005.21a9cdac18587cc36bd7cb01@sohara.org> <CAFYkXj=zofebWOtNhdzc8PhHC5xbWSQGf2pmQNywq1hjSDFVUg@mail.gmail.com> <20191109154827.42b0b2e1.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 479QlM4s64z42VY X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=vuV6Q2RP; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.81 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.989,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; FORGED_SENDER_VERP_SRS(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.997,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[198.176.0.142.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.15.0]; ENVFROM_VERP(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.17)[ip: (-0.40), ipnet: 142.0.176.0/22(0.76), asn: 7381(0.56), country: US(-0.05)]; FORGED_SENDER(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[198.176.0.142.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2019 18:34:08 -0000 On Sat, 9 Nov 2019 15:48:27 +0100 Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de> wrote: > I've read about this attitude a lot, and it seems that there > really were problems with x.0 releases in the past Typically x.0 releases are the first ones after a major change in the codebase (with FreeBSD it allows ABI changes that break compatibility), IOW there's usually more code meeting the world for the first time than other releases and so they tend to be more problematic than other releases. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith <steve@sohara.org>