From owner-svn-src-head@freebsd.org Sun Mar 15 18:59:13 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-head@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C42A27622E; Sun, 15 Mar 2020 18:59:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pfg@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [96.47.72.83]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48gTHh6Gpcz4Xb2; Sun, 15 Mar 2020 18:59:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pfg@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [192.168.0.6] (unknown [181.52.72.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: pfg) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2EF15B357; Sun, 15 Mar 2020 18:59:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pfg@FreeBSD.org) Subject: Re: svn commit: r359005 - head/usr.bin/calendar/calendars To: cem@freebsd.org Cc: src-committers , svn-src-all , svn-src-head References: <202003150049.02F0n67t076614@repo.freebsd.org> From: Pedro Giffuni Organization: FreeBSD Message-ID: Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2020 13:59:10 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-BeenThere: svn-src-head@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: SVN commit messages for the src tree for head/-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2020 18:59:13 -0000 On 14/03/2020 21:38, Conrad Meyer wrote: > On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 5:49 PM Pedro F. Giffuni wrote: >> Author: pfg >> Date: Sun Mar 15 00:49:06 2020 >> New Revision: 359005 >> URL: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/359005 >> >> Log: >> calendar(1): Updates and corrections for some calendar files. >> >> These have an educational value and are, no doubt, an integral part of the fun >> behind running the BSDs. > Hmm. I don't believe calendar(1) has education value (or to the > extent it has quantifiable value, N <= 0). Nor does it have more > subjective "fun" value. It certainly isn't integral to the system. Some cultures despise the value of history and things like education and maps and degenerate accordingly [1]: this tool helps by hinting curiosity. Of course if the database is not populated or people don't use calendar(1) it won't be effective at all. > It's a toy of a certain era that has aged poorly. Some quite long lasting institutions like the Roman Catholic Church, which will likely outlive me and you, use it extensively: http://www.romcal.net/output/2020.htm > It belongs with other fun and non-integral components, like > sopwith(6), in ports. Ultimately that's one of the reasons why there is interest in a packaged base. There are plenty of tools  in base that people don't commonly use; we have to find consensus instead of imposing our own limited views. Pedro. [1] https://youtu.be/lj3iNxZ8Dww