From owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 24 17:49:58 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9C383972; Tue, 24 Mar 2015 17:49:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx1.internetx.com (mx1.internetx.com [62.116.129.39]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51FC7C65; Tue, 24 Mar 2015 17:49:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.internetx.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E18E51472008; Tue, 24 Mar 2015 18:42:31 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: InterNetX GmbH amavisd-new at ix-mailer.internetx.de Received: from mx1.internetx.com ([62.116.129.39]) by localhost (ix-mailer.internetx.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5Y+3ZjW-9Z1m; Tue, 24 Mar 2015 18:42:29 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.100.26] (pizza.internetx.de [62.116.129.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.internetx.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 931E51472001; Tue, 24 Mar 2015 18:42:29 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <5511A204.7020705@internetx.com> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2015 18:42:28 +0100 From: InterNetX - Juergen Gotteswinter Reply-To: jg@internetx.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD FS , "freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Zoned Commands ZBC/ZAC, Shingled SMR drives, ZFS References: <02F3A553C174554DA1D5EC7CEE9BDDD7011BC3E42B@loki.lvc.com> In-Reply-To: <02F3A553C174554DA1D5EC7CEE9BDDD7011BC3E42B@loki.lvc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Filesystems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2015 17:49:58 -0000 The HGST He8 HDDs completed its rebuild in 19 hours and 46 minutes. The Seagate Archive HDDs completed their rebuild in 57 hours and 13 minutes this is ... a feature. right? Am 24.03.2015 um 18:05 schrieb Dale Kline: > READ THE DOCUMENTATION THOROUGHLY on these SMR drives. There are serious WRITE restrictions on these drives because of the overlapping (shingled) tracks. I have read over several times and am still not sure of all of the caveats. As Tom states below, they are to be used mainly in "WRITE ONCE, READ MANY" environments. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Tom Evans > Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 12:39 PM > To: Shehbaz Jaffer > Cc: FreeBSD FS; grarpamp; freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Zoned Commands ZBC/ZAC, Shingled SMR drives, ZFS > > On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Shehbaz Jaffer wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I was wondering what cost advantage do SMR drive provide as compared >> to normal CMR drive? >> >> 8TB SMR drive - $ 260 >> 3TB CMR (Conventional Magnetic Recording drive) - $ 105 >> > > Purchase price is not irrelevant, but the key benefits are increased capacity per disk, and reduced power usage per disk and (multiplied by the increase in capacity) per TB. In other words, they disks consume less power, you need fewer of them, maybe allowing you to run fewer servers. > > Of course, you also need a mainly read only workload. The RAID rebuild test from the linked review is *scary*. I wouldn't use these in ZFS raidz without plenty of disaster recovery testing - how long does it take to re-silver the pool when you lose a disk and what is the performance characteristics of the pool whilst it is doing so. > > Cheers > > Tom > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hardware > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hardware-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-fs@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-fs > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-fs-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >