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From: jleppek@suw2k.ess.harris.com (James Leppek)
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Eb Farris at ANC computers (surfusa.com) found the answer :-)
these are the modelines which weren't that hard to figure
> ModeLine "800x600" 28.3 800 824 896 1024 600 601 603 625
> Modeline "704x600" 28.3 704 704 704 704 600 600 600 600
> Modeline "640x480" 28.3 640 664 760 800 480 491 493 525
>
but the REAL trick was to close the screen or toggle the LCD display!!
strange but true this does the trick :-)
> There appears to be a synchronization bug in the C&T65545 driver when driving
> video modes greater than 640x480. If I start my server as 800x600 screen, I get
> the wrong video mode and the LCD looks wrong. Turning the LCD off and on (by
> closing the cover or pressing Fn-F3) forces the display to resynchronize and
> then 800x600 works fine.
>
I now have a full install, X included, running fvwm at 800x600.
xearth looks great!!
Thanks
Jim Leppek
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To: Bill Fenner <fenner@parc.xerox.com>
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Subject: Re: current SOTA in ISDN support?
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From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." <hasty@rah.star-gate.com>
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>>> Bill Fenner said:
> In message <199507070351.UAA00815@rah.star-gate.com> you write:
> >o voice communication with vat point to point since the MBONE is
> > not quite upto ip multicasting yet due to old routers or tcp/ip routing
> > software still being used. And hopefully in the not too distant
> > future teleconferencing.
>
> That's odd, I use the MBONE over my ISDN line almost every day, and I have
> successfully participated in teleconferences over my ISDN line (getting poor
> quality video, but perfect audio).
>
> Bill
>
First of I don't have problems with vat other than the existing problems
with vat but I am going to keep this short. A couple of years ago
while working for Cisco, I had no problems on FreeBSD using vat or nv.
>From and old posting:
> As Bill Fenner pointed out yesterday, host viviane.usl.edu
> (130.70.40.162) appears to be causing the >50% packet loss that
> most people are seeing on the Shuttle video session. It is
> causing the loss by sending an ICMP unreachable packet in
> reponse to every multicast packet put on the 130.70.40 subnet at
> USL. For a few hours yesterday evening, it appears that
> alpha.noc.usl.edu (the mbone tunnel endpoint at USL) was off the
> mbone and the NASA video reception here was perfect (0% loss).
> At around 12:50am, I started to see ICMP unreachables from
> viviane again (sent in response to my session msgs in the
> shuttle audio session) and the NASA video loss rate immediately
> went up to 50%.
So old routers that are in your path may cause problems thats one.
If there is a PIM cloud in your path it may cause problems.
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To: Saku Setala <setala@mits.mdata.fi>
Cc: mbone@ISI.EDU
Subject: Re: Packet duplication on NASA session
In-Reply-To: Your message of Sun, 02 Jul 95 14:09:57 JDT.
Date: Mon, 03 Jul 95 07:44:09 PDT
From: Van Jacobson <van@ee.lbl.gov>
> Currently, my nv reports ~ 200kbps on Nasa session, with up to
> ~ -45% loss.
>
> Pretty strange, huh?
I wish it were unusual. Ever since cisco's PIM got widely
deployed, the number of duplicate packets on the MBone has
skyrocketed & a 45% dup rate is actually lower than normal.
I find that almost all the traffic coming from Europe & the UK
is duplicated at least once.
The duplicates you're seeing are probably due to either
- A PIM cloud hooked to the MBone at two or more topologically
distinct points or
- Someone trying to use a PIM cloud as an MBone transit net.
Neither of these things will work. But, despite numerous pious
claims from cisco that they have told their customers these
things won't work, several major providers & backbone sites keep
trying them. I would guess that the duplicates you're seeing
are happening either in Stockholm or near mae-east in the US
(there are pim routers both places). Someone needs to look at
the traffic going into & coming out of the international links
to localize it better. FYI, I'm not seeing any duplicates on
the NASA session but, of course, there aren't any pim routers
between NASA & my workstation.
- Van
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From: Peter May <peter@osix.oz.au@osix.osix.oz.au>
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Imperial Irrigation District spoke thus:
> Yes. I am very interest to have token-ring on FreeBSD machine in my office.
> My company have two token ring networks and three ethernet networks I have
> access to it.
> I would like to connet my FreeBSD to a token ring as a file server.
Interesting. We have several machines here which are token ring only, DEC
433-Workstation machines. They have an onboard Olicom token ring chipset,
an Adaptec AIC6360 controller, and an APPIAN TIGA display. In all, quite nice
machines for workstations.
They run that horrible 16 bit offshoot of CP/M-80 at the moment. But if we
could get the Olicom's running under FreeBSD ....
OK, If anyone knows where to get the specs for the Olicom's I'll have a look
at it. We have the 802.2 layer already so it's a matter of making 802.5 work
properly - unfortunately not as simple as 802.3 or std. ethernet. Sigh....
Anyone got any ideas?
Regards,
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From: Stephen Hocking <sysseh@devetir.qld.gov.au>
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>> As Julian Howard Stacey wrote:
>> >
>> > I propose we change the list name `hackers' to [ Suggestions Please ].
>>
Stephen McKay wrote....
>> This is just caving in to Political Correctness. Fight the ignorant masses
>> who want to homogenise and de-flavour everything. 'hackers' has some spirit.
>> dev@freebsd.org is about as exciting as /dev/null.
>
>Someone close by - BUY THIS MAN A BEER!
>
>Nest time I see you, I'll buy a whole slab!
There's just one problem with this - he does not drink! (alcoholic fluids that
is). I'll buy him a donut instead - or maybe a raisin slice (it was a joke
here for a while)
>M
>--
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Stephen (Hocking, not McKay, even tho' we work for the same dept.)
>From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jul 7 21:01:44 1995
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From: "John Booth" <JOHN@gab.unt.edu>
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Subject: Hmm...
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I know this may be off topic, but find_solib isn't a function used
in this program and I didn't find it in /usr/lib when I did a
strings *|grep find_solib.
I guess I'm just lost as to what the find_solib error is. Is this a
gdb error message, or something that was supposed to fail within the
program.
MudGod4000@Ulantris:gdb ../src/merc merc.core
Core was generated by `merc'.
Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault.
find_solib: Can't read pathname for load map: Input/output error
#0 0x6abfe in hash_find_or_create (ht=0x5f1618, key=51) at hunt.c:130
130 temp = (struct hash_link *)malloc(sizeof(struct
hash_link));
(gdb) print temp
$1 = (struct hash_link *) 0x1
(gdb)
What would be a better list to put questions the off topic to
also?
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To: "Kenneth D. Merry" <ken@rflab1.gtri.gatech.edu>
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> I've been getting occasional strange error messages from netstat,
> usually something like this: (this is under 2.0.5)
>
It's definitely different. I had a SNAP system circa March and
was getting the same problems (kvm_read error) w/netstat. The new
netstat fixed it promptly.
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Subject: Re: Running BSDI 2.0 binaries on 2.0.5
To: sawmill!rjk@uunet.uu.net (Richard Kuhns)
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 23:57:59 +0200 (MET DST)
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In-Reply-To: <m0sUIwU-000BCpC@sawmill.uucp> from "Richard Kuhns" at Jul 7, 95 02:20:00 pm
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As Richard Kuhns wrote:
>
> I mentioned a couple of weeks ago that I've got a commercial app compiled
> for BSDI 2.0, that I really want to run under FreeBSD. Since the 2.0.5 CD
> is apparently shipping now, I should have it within a week (based on past
> experience with Walnut Creek). Is anyone working on this problem that
> would like some help?
Has this been the problem where the app's are dumping core within
crt0?
Perhaps some assembler-level single step could lead us further. If
the apps will require another system call vector for BSDi compat, it
will be a hard work. :-(
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Subject: Re: Buslogic bt946 controller
To: erich@jake.lodgenet.com (Eric L. Hernes)
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As Eric L. Hernes wrote:
>
> > Do you have a device conflict at 0x330 with the Buslogic and your sound
> > card (I assume that's what the 'uart0' is above)?
> >
>
> maybe, but why does it work with the GENERIC kernel and not my custom one,
> with exactly the same hardware?
The generic kernel doesn't have a uart0 driver. Perhaps the uart will
only conflict once it has been properly initialized.
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Hi, I'd like to check freeBSD out (I've linux too) and got the bin and
kernel dists installed fine. My problem though is that any time I try to
compile something (both as root and a regular user) the machine will just
reboot. I can't even recompile the kernel. I've disable all drivers that
I don't need on the boot.flp and yet this still happens. A conflict I guess?
Has any one else had this problem? My machine has the following:
486dx2/80 (really an overclocked 66)
32M memory
Generic VLB EIDE controller w/three drives hanging from it
Mach32 video
Busmouse on irq 5
fdc w/two floppy drvs
NE2000 on irq 9
SB 16 on irq 10 drq 1 and 5 @0x220 and the midi @0x330
Mitsumi on irq 11 and 0x340
All this works perfectly while linux is booted. And I went more conservative
with my bios settings too (thinking it was a timing problem).
Any help appreciated.
Thanks,
Chris
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From: Bruce Evans <bde@zeta.org.au>
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>In the translate mode, the spare sectors will not be accesible by the
>host (!!! WKB) and will require the firmware top check the requested cyl, head
>and sector values before doing the translation.
>Translated mode is invoked by issuing a set params (91hex) at 17 or 34,
>which is performed by the DOS Bios (??? WKB) at boot time. This option
>may be disabled if jumper W14 is installed. W8 if jumped and W14 open
>enables WD1005-WAH compat mode, which employs only the double translation (
>1 phys track is 2 log tracks). Other operating systems may like to utilise
>the ESDI drives in a pure physical manner"
The driver now assumes that
(0) the default geometry advertised by the driver can be set using set
params.
Previously it assumed that either
(1) the apparent geometry can be varied using set params.
All reasonable geometries work.
The user-specifed geometries in the partition table and in the
disklabel are reasonable.
or
(2) The apparent geometry isn't affected by set params.
The user-specifed geometries in the partition table and in the
disklabel agree with the fixed geometry.
Apparently, ESDI drives often advertise a geometry that isn't quite
right (having 1 spare sector that can't be accessed). This shouldn't
be much of a problem if translation is enabled - the advertised
geometry will just have too many cylinders. If translation isn't
enabled, then the driver will no longer work. It used to work if
the user-specified geometries were as in (2) - e.g., 34 sectors
instead of 35.
>It appears to me that the card reports 35 sectors/tr of which 34
>are data and 1 is inacessible (see (!!! WKB)). This might explain why
>n * 35 is a show stopper. Also, this seems to correlate with me
>using 34 sect/tr on 115R.
>I just tried installing W8 and removing W14. Now the 205R probe sees
>36 sect/tr.
If you had 14 installed before then it's hard to explain why translation
didn't work. Perhaps set params to the advertised geometry doesn't work,
although translation is required to go from 35 advertised sectors to 34
usable.
Bruce
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Date: Sat, 8 Jul 1995 02:20:56 CST6CDT
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> I agree wholeheartedly, but don't know what to re-name it to! I'd recommend
> "internals" or something like that (to retain the flavor of it being those
> who work deep within......).
> >
> > I propose we change the list name `hackers' to [ Suggestions Please ].
> >
> > It's hard enough to persuade bosses and friends to use FreeBSD, rather than
> > something commercial, it's harder still when one must tell the `Suits':
> > "Your administrator should subscribe to a list called `hackers'"
> >
> > The difference between a `hacker' & a `cracker' is something
I don't think this would help stop the stero-typing, just ferment it.
I think the mailing list name is fine. If the 'Suits' are worried
about a list called hackers@blah, educate them. Tell them what it
should mean, not what they think it means.
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From: hm@hcswork.hcs.de (Hellmuth Michaelis)
Subject: pcvt release 3.00 available
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Pcvt release 3.30 has been put on the following ftp sites:
Host: gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de
Address: 137.226.31.2
Directory: pub/incoming
Filename: pcvt-330.tar.gz (invisible!)
Filesize: 338259 Bytes
Host: ftp.freebsd.org
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Host: ftp.netbsd.org
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Have fun,
hellmuth
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On Thu, 6 Jul 1995, WWW Form wrote:
> The machine this came from was: prince.mc.bio.uva.nl
>
> Hi,
>
> Thanks for your nice WWW pages about FreeBSD!
>
> One question: I can't find any reference on it
> whether FreeBSD supports Extended IDE (aka. EIDE)
> drives or not. I do see SCSI and IDE, but not EIDE.
> Could you confirm/deny this question?
>
I don't know too much about the specifics, but I can see on boot up that
FreeBSD supports multi-block 16 and 64 on my two drives along with 32
bits. Although it does seem to misprobe and assume multi-block 16 on
ide drives that don't handle it.
I believe these options need to be activated when you compile the kernel.
It does recognize my 3 hard drives on an EIDE controller (DTC 2728 Dual
Port 4hd/2fd version), but the controller seems to be slower than the
non-EIDE VLB 2hd/2fd controller which I have gone back to using. I doubt
if this is FreeBSD's fault because even in DOS, the controller is slower
than the generic VLB controller I use. (With no drivers in DOS, I get about
3.5 MB/s on the generic, and 1.8 MB/s on the DTC. With DOS drivers, I get
4.6 MB/s on the generic, and about 3.6 MB/s on the DTC.)
Anyone have any good recommendations on inexpensive VLB 4HD/2FD EIDE
controllers?
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Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 16:30:24 +0200
From: "Julian Stacey <jhs@freebsd.org>" <jhs@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de>
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> Currently, I am dealing with ports and stuff by actually loading the
> entire /usr/ports onto a box and then fudging around to get it to do a make
> install (it still has the .install_done from previous machine). That's a
> major strike out for the current ports system - you could not share
> /usr/ports via NFS, it would seem, for this reason. (anyways - it's been a
> major annoyance and lately I've started just compiling them all on each
> box).
Sorry it's not a strike out (whatever `strikeout' is ;-)
It _is_ possible, I've done it,
I had my visiting (& now gone) 386 nfs mount /usr/ports on my 486,
then I just ran make -i reinstall on the 386., worked fine
PS I'm running `current'.
Julian S
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