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( [217.206.187.79]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c4sm97622nfi.2007.10.24.06.33.55 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 06:33:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Evans To: Michal Varga In-Reply-To: <1193225985.981.15.camel@xenon.stonehenge.sk> References: <20071002164246.GA986@hades.panopticon> <20071003003329.GA78359@hades.panopticon> <20071023214838.P57575@rust.salford.ac.uk> <471F1D1B.4090007@gyrec.cz> <1193225985.981.15.camel@xenon.stonehenge.sk> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-ZTcp6B4/u14+Tw43+PcF" Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 14:33:53 +0100 Message-Id: <1193232833.2001.46.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.2 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Cc: karelrous@gyrec.cz, freebsd-current@freebsd.org, Mark Powell , Dmitry Marakasov , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Need motherboard for home fileserver X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:34:14 -0000 --=-ZTcp6B4/u14+Tw43+PcF Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 2007-10-24 at 13:39 +0200, Michal Varga wrote: > On Wed, 2007-10-24 at 12:23 +0200, Karel Rous wrote: > > Mark Powell wrote: > > > On Wed, 3 Oct 2007, Dmitry Marakasov wrote: > > > > > > Intel CPU Pentium DualCore E2140 > > > > > > They are similar price to the cheapest AMD and are really just a=20 > > > Core2Duo with just 1MB cache and offical 800MHz FSB. However, they ar= e=20 > > > the same silicon as C2D. As such these run easily at ~3GHz with=20 > > > 350-400MHz FSB all with no voltage increases, if you're into such thi= ngs. > > > It's a shame AMD have fallen behind Intel. Corporate crime does pay= =20 > > > it seems :( > > Personally I don't see any evidence about this statement in low=20 > > price solution. I use AMD for a long time and it has never as=20 > > overclockable as Intel. The first one I have found is A64 3000 which I=20 > > bought two weeks ago... > > > > > >> > > >> Though Core 2 Duo CPUs are more expensive, > > > > > > See above. Possibly not as low power as an AMD solution, but a lot=20 > > > more for your money, me thinks. > > I think overclocking shoudn't be understood as a feature you pay=20 > > for. It's mainly a matter of luck. Reliability (probability of crash)=20 > > and lifetime of such machines could be worse. > >=20 > > Karel > >=20 > When someone asks me for differences between Core 2 and AMD/64/FX/etc, I > wont bother to argue anymore, I simply link this: > http://marc.info/?l=3Dopenbsd-misc&m=3D118296441702631 >=20 > ..and let them decide on their own. (well, maybe I sometimes add that > buying C2D today is a suicide, but *that* is a highly personal opinion). >=20 >=20 > m. >=20 Sigh. Yes, lets all be scared by Theo de Raadt's scaremongering and over exaggeration. See the original thread on current@ for full explanations of why everything he says in that email is largely irrelevant. 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