From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 28 21:54:56 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95D28375A7E for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 21:54:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave@jetcafe.org) Received: from fedex2.jetcafe.org (fedex2.jetcafe.org [205.147.26.23]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "fedex2.jetcafe.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BGVp7402wz3yDS for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 21:54:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave@jetcafe.org) X-Envelope-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from bigus.dream-tech.com (bigus.jetcafe.org [205.147.26.7]) by fedex2.jetcafe.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 06SLsr2J012743 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 28 Jul 2020 14:54:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dave@jetcafe.org) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 14:54:53 -0700 From: Dave Hayes To: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" Cc: Ottavio Caruso via freebsd-questions Subject: Wayland inescapable indeed (was Re: Ask stupid questions and you'll get a stupid answers, was: Technological advantages over Linux) Message-ID: <20200728145453.14f83f30@bigus.dream-tech.com> In-Reply-To: <20200728120322.bb850a6dacdccf496758e620@sohara.org> References: <20200214121620.GA80657@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200214141600.GA82559@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200214204838.360c8f624397c659946bd764@sohara.org> <20200215063818.GE1482@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200215083359.367d8a3e9ddb4942df67d5b5@sohara.org> <58202623-bbf7-eda0-5cb5-fb4749e91e20@watters.ws> <6318251A-973A-4DEC-9271-12333EB11F7B@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20200728120322.bb850a6dacdccf496758e620@sohara.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -1 ( out of 6) ALL_TRUSTED,SHORTCIRCUIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin version 3.4.4-jetcafeglobal X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.83 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BGVp7402wz3yDS X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dave@jetcafe.org designates 205.147.26.23 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=dave@jetcafe.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.78 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.95)[-0.953]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx:c]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.97)[-0.974]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[jetcafe.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.55)[-0.554]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7397, ipnet:205.147.0.0/18, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 21:54:56 -0000 On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 12:03:22 +0100 "Steve O'Hara-Smith" wrote: > It looks to be nearly inescapable to have it installed now anyway, > this comes from my jail that has nothing deliberately installed but calibre: Indeed. I've noticed this too: > pkg info -r wayland wayland-1.18.0_3: vlc-3.0.10,4 plasma5-kwin-5.18.4.1 plasma5-kscreenlocker-5.18.4.1 xwayland-1.20.8_1,1 mesa-dri-18.3.2_10 kf5-kwayland-5.68.0 webkit2-gtk3-2.28.1 gstreamer1-plugins-gl-1.16.2 wpebackend-fdo-1.4.1 libva-2.6.1_2 mesa-libs-18.3.2_4 sdl2-2.0.10_1 gtk3-3.24.10_1 Honestly I don't pretend to understand this (yet) but it is concerning. -- Dave Hayes - Consultant - Altadena CA, USA - dave@jetcafe.org >>>> *The opinions expressed above are entirely my own* <<<< We may eventually come to realize that chastity is no more a virtue than malnutrition. -- Alex Comfort