From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 3 09:09:22 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F7FA16A4CE; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 09:09:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de (krusty.dt.E-Technik.Uni-Dortmund.DE [129.217.163.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40A4C43D48; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 09:09:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ma@dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de) Received: from m2a2.dyndns.org (pD9E1E144.dip.t-dialin.net [217.225.225.68]) 4CF9B2A1B2; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 11:09:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by merlin.emma.line.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CA87C31AF; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 11:09:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from merlin.emma.line.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (m2a2.dyndns.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09967-04; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 11:09:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: by merlin.emma.line.org (Postfix, from userid 500) id 6E8CAC2E06; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 11:09:20 +0200 (CEST) To: "David G. Lawrence" In-Reply-To: <20040803080247.GI42525@nexus.dglawrence.com> (David G. Lawrence's message of "Tue, 3 Aug 2004 01:02:47 -0700") References: <410F28E1.8080105@freebsd.org> <20040803072859.GA944@isis.wad.cz> <20040803080247.GI42525@nexus.dglawrence.com> From: Matthias Andree Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 11:09:20 +0200 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) Emacs/21.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at m2a2.dyndns.org cc: Tim Kientzle cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HEADS UP: tar -l is now (intentionally) broken. X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 09:09:22 -0000 "David G. Lawrence" writes: >> # kientzle@freebsd.org / 2004-08-02 22:55:45 -0700: >> > Since POSIX and GNU violently disagree about the >> > meaning of "tar -l", and there seem to be strong >> > adherents to both interpretations, I'm preparing to >> > commit a patch that breaks "tar -l" for everyone: >> >> All I can see is three posts in current@, that's >> not much of a discussion (or voting). >> >> I for one, would prefer POSIX compliance. :) > > Well, '-l' has meant "local filesystem only" in FreeBSD since the 1.0 > release (i.e. since the beginning - more than 10 years now). FreeBSD isn't > a POSIX OS - it's a BSD OS and we have many differences in our user > environment that differ from POSIX. That's partly what makes us BSD rather > than System V, Solaris, or Linux. Many of our users prefer the way that ps(1) > works in BSD, for example...as well as many other non-POSIXisms in other > utilities. Talking of Solaris, it still has a nonconforming /bin/sh, and such is a major annoyance in heteogenous networks. Same applies to FreeBSD, please lean towards standards wherever possible. As this BSD tar stuff is a -CURRENT issue, it is allowed to break. -- Matthias Andree Encrypted mail welcome: my GnuPG key ID is 0x052E7D95 (PGP/MIME preferred)