From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 18 15:13:07 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B90C16A4CE for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:13:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from host1.openit.com.br (mvx-200-201-187-90.mundivox.com [200.201.187.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15ABC43D2D for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:13:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lgustavo@openit.com.br) Received: from topazio.intranet.openit.com.br ([192.168.0.7]) by host1.openit.com.br with esmtp (Exim 4.43 (FreeBSD)) id 1DCJ9r-000Hen-Kl for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 12:13:03 -0300 From: Luiz Gustavo To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <2fd864e050318065670005fe4@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050315104454.W574@dru.domain.org> <20050315101228.Q25559@knight.ixsystems.net> <793354858.20050315202057@wanadoo.fr> <42383D1F.20005@makeworld.com> <2fd864e05031704593c07d6c1@mail.gmail.com> <1432499378.20050317210733@wanadoo.fr> <2fd864e050318065670005fe4@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1111158779.778.6.camel@topazio.intranet.openit.com.br> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 12:12:59 -0300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: BSD Certification Group press release X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:13:07 -0000 Since BSD Vault has ignored the press release, I submitted it there today... On Fri, 2005-03-18 at 11:56, Astrodog wrote: > On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 21:07:33 +0100, Anthony Atkielski > wrote: > > Astrodog writes: > > > > > Have you considered, that a certification program done in an open > > > manner could be incredibly helpful for FreeBSD? > > > > If so, it would be a historical first. I've never seen any > > certification program do that for anything. > > > > I'm not sure I see that as a problem, considering the group that is > putting this together. > > > > You're making some rather large assumptions, the primary one being > > > that the creation and design of the certification tests will be closed > > > and no one except the arbiters will be involved. > > > > I think it's safe to assume that the group creating and designing the > > tests will be far smaller than the group expected to take and pass the > > tests. And offhand I can't think of who would actually be objectively > > qualified to design the tests in the first place. > > > > The group creating FreeBSD and deciding where it will go is > significantly smaller than the userbase. As far as someone being > objectively qualified.... the guy who reads your college entry essay > isn't objective, your boss isn't objective, cops aren't objective, and > neither are judges. You go with what you can get, while striving for > objectivity, even if it isn't possible. > > > > The reason certifications are required in some cases is that lets face > > > it, you COULD be full of shit and know nothing about whatever product > > > it is. > > > > Not if an employer or client investigates your claims. And if he > > doesn't, certification won't make any difference, anyway. > > > > I'm not even sure what you'd certify for FreeBSD ... it's practically > > identical to the other BSDs, which in turn are practically identical to > > all other forms of UNIX. Why would anyone seek out a FreeBSD or BSD > > certification _specifically_? > > > > > Not only does this hurt whoever hires you, but it hurts whoever > > > provides the product you're lying about. > > > > If people lie about experience and their clients don't check up, what > > would prevent them from lying about certification (which their clients > > wouldn't check up, either)? > > If I'm an employer, and I need to terminate a crap employee, and they > don't list any certs, just experence, it would be quite difficult to > PROVE that they didn't have experence with "Application X". However, > if they claim a certification for application X, that they don't > actually have, I can fire them without notice. > > > > > > As far as the last comment.... People complain about certifications? > > > > Some do. Certifications, like unions, are attempts to artificially > > inflate and/or support a job market through closed-shop restrictions. > > > > One could argue that a college degree has the same effect. So would > actually knowing other people. I don't see this as an issue at all. :\ > > > -- > > Anthony > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > !DSPAM:423aec51674781134119474! >