From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Aug 10 17:26:24 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 566C9C1375 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2019 17:26:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 465TYB6M9tz3xQB for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2019 17:26:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1565457983; x=1568049983; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=m4qNNVWcHmLpkjvlIeTqDwBITiIz73TNIX7HsxIFfpg=; b=Z3SWgdmxNcGkXVvwHDMiIP8Ln9nqWJnlJdZ5nafNEayAP0XB5VcHS3TyZVvS/cJgwULJg4C6SSSJ3QB7zBR6rK1NlMwMTX356Udi74JnD9oLKm0ICt+4uLRVjs3X2kK8JhzwKDWq4+b1D5b9BzcLzxk9G6H+nkjpAp89l9cvEf0= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi4xYjcwMDAwMDI1YTBlNjUuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r3.h.in.socketlabs.com (r3.h.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.180.13]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Sat, 10 Aug 2019 13:26:09 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r3.h.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Sat, 10 Aug 2019 13:26:09 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.91 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1hwV83-0008Uu-SX for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 10 Aug 2019 18:26:07 +0100 Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2019 18:26:07 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: thunderbird in German? Message-Id: <20190810182607.208e49addf88b6238272fb50@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <874l2p9fpc.fsf@toy.adminart.net> References: <87o91bw4mx.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <20190731012754.3783a859.freebsd@edvax.de> <878ssc5v3x.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <20190802053434.6babd0d0.freebsd@edvax.de> <87y30b8h0v.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <20190803042205.550f5903.freebsd@edvax.de> <87pnllbxp7.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <20190805070522.be1fb873.freebsd@edvax.de> <87sgqdq0nw.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <20190809133419.3de9e65f.freebsd@edvax.de> <87pnlevzbb.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <20190810133516.3254f6e5.freebsd@edvax.de> <874l2p9fpc.fsf@toy.adminart.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 465TYB6M9tz3xQB X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=Z3SWgdmx; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.01 / 15.00]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.84)[-0.844,0]; FORGED_SENDER(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.991,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.98)[-0.981,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; FORGED_SENDER_VERP_SRS(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(-0.20)[ip: (-0.53), ipnet: 142.0.176.0/22(-0.23), asn: 7381(-0.17), country: US(-0.05)]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[198.176.0.142.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.15.0]; ENVFROM_VERP(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2019 17:26:24 -0000 On Sat, 10 Aug 2019 17:56:47 +0200 hw wrote: > OTOH, what is the programmer supposed to do when creating an error > message? Users nowadays are incapable of reading anything, especially > error messages, The user gets "Oops something went wrong" and a button to "Send diagnostic information to $VENDOR", the grubby details go in the diagnostic return and are only seen by programmers. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith