From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 3 09:14:14 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 282B73EC; Fri, 3 Oct 2014 09:14:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-oi0-x229.google.com (mail-oi0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::229]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CF280E74; Fri, 3 Oct 2014 09:14:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-oi0-f41.google.com with SMTP id u20so502308oif.28 for ; Fri, 03 Oct 2014 02:14:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=CJ2MiTj2ShV5Q6UhN/jmR6Zib2E2UK163SfOOc8rkHQ=; b=DfT9lQQk0Qd56o7DYG7o0JT8sCUv8cGfKFYFfHshE18eQBWAIdMpFY7x8bttENZecm cummAtE2O9SUWdePpTUMQA9v+EhT9PUcpog3XMU8+hfhWVkD+b/22FDZGZg9pYXhtop0 D4U37JNxH5v60wLto3XNDgkXQ0ScYJyC6Et+Rj8+ymenHvyPpOddmVZbfRQGkcSzmruk Vym3/MgWHjPtE14oSgZ66XOJtNgZT21lu+acfkcDPTBRVRzrtowPSRTKI2wOG9/vN1o7 yTritwfbVz3iSijK9qcCy8eW1Dp48z1PaXWjO3BPQtwGbqqMHv/SJ18X5anbwxNPK0H/ LtWQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.232.229 with SMTP id tr5mr1444857obc.83.1412327653033; Fri, 03 Oct 2014 02:14:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.19.133 with HTTP; Fri, 3 Oct 2014 02:14:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <542E6606.9050205@orange.fr> References: <20141003083051.GA52332@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> <542E6606.9050205@orange.fr> Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 11:14:12 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Removal of legacy X.Org (aka non-WITH_NEW_XORG) From: =?UTF-8?Q?Ren=C3=A9_Ladan?= To: Claude Buisson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: "ports@freebsd.org Ports" , Baptiste Daroussin , stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2014 09:14:14 -0000 2014-10-03 11:01 GMT+02:00 Claude Buisson : > On 10/03/2014 10:30, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> As you may know, the ports tree currently provides two versions of the >> X.Org server and related pieces of software: >> 1. xserver 1.7, Mesa 7.6 and libdrm 2.4.17 >> 2. xserver 1.12, Mesa 9.1 and libdrm 2.4.52 >> >> We are about to remove the older set. The primary reason is the >> maintenance cost. The Graphics team is small and it's a nightmare to >> test changes. The consequence is infrequent updates to those packages >> and, of course, way more work each time we decide to jump to a later >> version. All this time spent on keeping the legacy stack in a working >> state isn't invested on improving the current one and today's hardware >> support. >> >> The recent update to Cairo is a good example of this unsustainable >> situation: we tested what we could with the time we had and we sent a >> "Call for testers" on freebsd-x11@ and freebsd-current@ mailing-lists as >> well as asking for help on several Quarterly Status Reports. The benefit >> (if not the requirement) of the update and the lack of failure reports >> were instrumental in the final decision. Unfortunately, many users of >> the old X.Org server on Intel GPUs are now having crashes with any Gtk+ >> applications or the X.Org server itself. This time, we won't revert >> anything or spend more time on trying to fix the old stack. >> >> [...] NVIDIA does not exist in your world ? > > Nvidia (GeForce GT240M, old card indeed) works fine here with NEW_XORG on FreeBSD 10.0 using the nvidia-driver port (version 340.24) Ren=C3=A9