From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 28 16:49:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA01552 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 16:49:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.131.171]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA01547 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 16:49:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA10473; Wed, 28 Feb 96 18:46:55 -0600 Received: by emu.fsl.noaa.gov (1.38.193.4/SMI-4.1 (1.38.193.4)) id AA13427; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 17:46:54 -0700 Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 17:46:54 -0700 Message-Id: <9602290046.AA13427@emu.fsl.noaa.gov> From: Sean Kelly To: jkh@time.cdrom.com Cc: terry@lambert.org, hasty@rah.star-gate.com, jehamby@lightside.com, root@dihelix.com, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <3781.825544043@time.cdrom.com> (jkh@time.cdrom.com) Subject: Re: Quake's out, where's that Linux ELF emulation? Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Jordan" == "Jordan K Hubbard" writes: >> The situation is not aided by the fact that the BSD camp >> emulates the Linux ABI sufficiently well that companies are of >> the opinion that they can save themselves a porting effort. Jordan> That depends on whether or not you view the UNIX market as Jordan> one capable of sustaining native versions of all the major Jordan> players anymore. No good winning a battle if it costs you Jordan> the war. Quite right. That's always been the Great False Promise of Unix. About the only thing you have in common amongst all the versions is that `ls' is the file/directory listing commmand, and it may display in multiple columns or in a single column depending as much on vendor as environment and invocation. Porting efforts are sincere efforts, indeed! I like the sound of ``FreeBSD: a better Linux than Linux.'' I'd place the focus on making any i386 executable just run directly. An installed, out-of-the-box system ought to run installed, out-of-the-box ibcs2, SCO, Linux, DOS, Windows, what-have-you executables. No setup. No additional library. No muss. No fuss. Of course, I live most of the time in my dreams, too. -- Sean Kelly NOAA Forecast Systems Laboratory kelly@fsl.noaa.gov Boulder Colorado USA http://www-sdd.fsl.noaa.gov/~kelly/