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Date:      Sun, 7 Aug 2016 13:43:53 +0200
From:      Oliver Pinter <oliver.pinter@hardenedbsd.org>
To:        Bruce Simpson <bms@fastmail.net>
Cc:        =?UTF-8?Q?Dag=2DErling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= <des@freebsd.org>,  src-committers@freebsd.org, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, svn-src-head@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: svn commit: r303716 - head/crypto/openssh
Message-ID:  <CAPQ4fftQ30_aqU8V_ea-WEKBdMZs5H9Rwxnfa0crid_df049nQ@mail.gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <9a01870a-d99d-13a2-54bd-01d32616263c@fastmail.net>
References:  <201608031608.u73G8Mjq055909@repo.freebsd.org> <d419bddd-fe56-bc11-8965-142ca0b94ebc@fastmail.net> <9a01870a-d99d-13a2-54bd-01d32616263c@fastmail.net>

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On 8/7/16, Bruce Simpson <bms@fastmail.net> wrote:
> On 07/08/16 11:58, Bruce Simpson wrote:
>> Is there a way to revert this change, at least on an ongoing operational
>> basis (e.g. configuration file) for those of us who use FreeBSD to
>> connect directly to such devices?
>
> I was able to override this (somewhat unilateral, to my mind)
> deprecation of the DH key exchange by using this option:
> -oKexAlgorithms=+diffie-hellman-group1-sha1

You can add this option to /etc/ssh/ssh.conf or ~/.ssh/config too.

>
> Obviously that is too much of a mouthful for day-to-day operational
> memory. I shudder to think how a novice SSH user, who is otherwise
> competent with network switches, is going to cope with this confusion.
>
> OK, so deprecating the (unwanted/vulnerable/obsolete for whatever other
> reason) cipher suite is an ideologically sound move, but the road to
> hell is paved with good intentions.
>
> But surely the operational implications of this on people who use SSH on
> a daily basis could have been better thought out, given many of these
> devices cannot just magically be updated to stop using DH?
>
> As I've said this may not affect just Netonix devices, but a wide range
> of network devices which -- let's be frank -- be grateful they even have
> a basic SSH implementation. I'm staring at $VENDOR_A and $VENDOR_H.
>
> Strikes me as foot shooting. Just my 2c.
>
> Please, at least add a central knob for overriding this. pfSense took
> the change too. I couldn't log in to our local Netonix this morning
> (without booting up a Linux laptop), which violated POLA horribly for me.
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