From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 24 17:37:09 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D74D316A4CE for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 17:37:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from ms-smtp-01-eri0.southeast.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-lbl.southeast.rr.com [24.25.9.100]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C86343FBF for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 17:37:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wegster@mindcore.net) Received: from mindcore.net (rdu163-100-105.nc.rr.com [24.163.100.105]) hAP1b4se009920; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 20:37:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3FC2B23F.2060607@mindcore.net> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 20:37:03 -0500 From: Scott W User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brent Wiese References: <20031124230050.FOWZ8432.fed1mtao06.cox.net@SAMBA> In-Reply-To: <20031124230050.FOWZ8432.fed1mtao06.cox.net@SAMBA> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: (Semi)hot swap IDE X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 01:37:10 -0000 Brent Wiese wrote: >>>Hello! >>> >>>I'm looking for a cheap solution to back up a FreeBSD 4.8 machine. >>>Cheap meaning that tape drives are out of question. Even external >>>FireWire drives are deemed a bit too expensive by the folks >>> >>> >>for whom >> >> >>>I'm doing this research. >>> >>>This leaves one option I can think of - standard IDE drive >>> >>> >>in one of >> >> >>>those removable HDD trays. We'd probably use two drives, one being >>>active in the machine and the other being kept somewhere out of the >>>house for safety. >>> >>> >> >> >>I personally think this a great alternative to tape, >>especially given the >>low cost per GB of drive space. >> >>3ware cards support hot swapping IDE and there are several >>hot-swap IDE >>drive trays in the $50-75 range. You *MUST* make sure the >>trays are really >>hot swap. Most are not. The ones that are will be very >>specific about saying >>so. >> >> > >My computer vendor uses these: >http://www.amtrade.com/pc/ata133_ide_mobil_hdd_racks.htm > >I personally have not used them, so don't blame me if they end up not >working as advertised, but my vendor is happy with them. I have also never >used that company or its website until today, so I have nothing in the way >of recommending for or against. > > > >>Another alternative I just found this past weekend... There >>is a company >>making "hot swap" IDE trays, but instead of being IDE out, >>they're USB 2.0. >> >> > >It came to my attention that FreeBSD 4.x lacks USB 2.0 support. I used these >USB 2.0 trays in a Windows server and hadn't thought that USB 2.0 might not >be supported in FreeBSD 4.x. I don't use USB in my FreeBSD servers, so this >never crossed my mind. > >I'm providing the link to the HDD trays above to show my apologies. :) > >Cheers, >Brent > > >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > FWIW, those are pretty similar to what I've used in the past, with the aforementioned IDE bus issues. The chassis/drive carrier doesn't really add much into the mix one way or another- I've yet to see a carrier that effectively emulates the (removed) drive being online, which of course would pose it's own set of problems... ;-) No bus hangs, but whazt about, "Oh yeah...oops, I forgot I included that mount point in THAT script!" :-) Scott