From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 24 20:54:56 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24033106566C for ; Sat, 24 Jan 2009 20:54:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stuartb@4gh.net) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6A7A8FC1C for ; Sat, 24 Jan 2009 20:54:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stuartb@4gh.net) Received: from mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.28]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 24 Jan 2009 15:26:39 -0500 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.10.4-GA) with ESMTP id KPJ97368; Sat, 24 Jan 2009 15:26:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from 208-58-196-5.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com (HELO freeman.4gh.net) ([208.58.196.5]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 24 Jan 2009 15:26:37 -0500 Received: by freeman.4gh.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id CA6995CA83; Sat, 24 Jan 2009 15:26:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freeman.4gh.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3D075C2B8 for ; Sat, 24 Jan 2009 15:26:35 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 15:26:35 -0500 (EST) From: Stuart Barkley To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: missing apps in x11/xorg-apps update to 7.4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 20:54:56 -0000 The recent update to x11/xorg-apps has dropped a number of important apps from the dependency list. In particular why have the following been dropped: xdm, xconsole, xload, xlsfonts, xmag. I see several other of the historic base x11 apps are now no longer depended upon by x11-apps (xeyes was fun to assume was everywhere). There was one commit which added a apps few back. This was "Discussed on: #bsdports" which I assume is some irc channel somewhere. The FreeBSD web pages say there are no official irc channels. It should have been discussed here for more complete discussion and historic record keeping. It looks like x.org themselves have dropped a number of historic applications from their 7.4 release. I assume this is why FreeBSD also dropped those packages. They also gloss over these removals in their documentation. With X11 being a fairly critical component for a number of FreeBSD users, there should probably have been a HEADSUP sent to a couple of mailing lists before the upgrade to 7.4. There should also be a cleared entry in UPDATING similar to the 20070913 entry for xorg 7.3. I'm glad to see us keeping up to date with the X.org releases. The 6.9 to 7.2 update was long and hard in coming. Stuart -- I've never been lost; I was once bewildered for three days, but never lost! -- Daniel Boone