From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 17 12:48:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A49216A400 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 12:48:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nino80@gmail.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.235]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF3CE13C455 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 12:48:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nino80@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 70so1848452wra for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 05:48:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=gTDeturxzau46dH9KtRq216phaK/307r8MdvBcReSbitB25rHSaOtducRAJsapBkfUiXHwjlp2Emwf0aXEp2ko4zPnHthoFN9CfKFlTxqj/MyQOlzHxud74EoUpkdpkj+UpXl/srsmCU9STSA9KhYpLpQETq1nlgAMLAh76e3Co= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=UU1KzuEtl2HWuFi1+1Z32YQH6HsbAYc+pH/d5e60kHjK7WrMNkiQTXeFB61c+z9CEg6k2iiOuhEtmZrogoOAuJPdfCQ8Eb6PYBwFoz3KwiU6t6S0kifZaXred4mANzxPcm+GE07lWDZ4XhUCPXCr9tRT2XUV+YU8R6D11J1LjAQ= Received: by 10.114.113.1 with SMTP id l1mr2396328wac.1176814134240; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 05:48:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.208.13 with HTTP; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 05:48:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <92bcbda50704170548s273eb37dt1049a3063fa965b9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:48:54 +0200 From: "n j" To: freebsd-questions In-Reply-To: <4624869C.7090309@dial.pipex.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4624869C.7090309@dial.pipex.com> Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: I like Ubuntu] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 12:48:55 -0000 > Hopefully that helps answer some of your questions. Overall, I find the > FreeBSD ports system to be more flexible, but an acceptable runner-up > for purposes of binary package-based OSes in my opinion is Debian. Just to add my .02$ to this topic, speaking from a perspective of a FreeBSD lover in a company which prefers Debian, I must say that, even though I administer a couple of FreeBSD boxes, I sometimes envy my fellow Debian admins who manage tens of Debian boxes with a really quick apt-get upgrade (or whatever the command) to fix a hole or apply a patch vs. updating the source tree and making world on FreeBSD (not to mention mergemaster which is a nightmare and the build process which lasts for hours if not days). I'm quite frightened by the effort I would have to invest to get the same effect administering a large number of FreeBSD boxes. Mind you, I'm not actually talking about the ports tree; given one of the portupgrade/portmanager/portmaster tools, I usually find my way through upgrading ports via source to be rather simple. On the other hand, on Debian there is a price for simplicity, stable still ships with really old 3rd party apps like Mysql 4.0, Apache 1.3, PHP 4.3... To conclude my rantings, I really appreciate the effort behind binary updates and freebsd-update project. Colin is doing a great job and by using portsnap and/or freebsd-update, FreeBSD is slowly overcoming the complicated upgrade process which combined with good ports tree and above mentioned portupgrading toolset and portaudit makes for an outstanding OS. Regards, -- Nino