From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Wed Nov 22 20:44:55 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DD38DF575B for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 20:44:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-io0-x234.google.com (mail-io0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D69AE69680 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 20:44:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mail-io0-x234.google.com with SMTP id u42so24516947ioi.9 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 12:44:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=86DhjtRNY4fSvgYUNKn/cQpQcRYcJ7nUdRTzkPz2mNs=; b=PcfZJK3m85BUlxPUIiDen7J7YpdTMLdHzsqatOXuomxl3WT2OphZJma/+Cpojl8iHb FNGefFk3WqBQ+UHCHeQQ78FZRIycgUC8CZlCgzBJvOW2Kr2DE11CBmpsP2f6Ou9cqYOw SweY+QeD82pOqqkvxa/DxSgpft4J0P9Q9orN9dEZ1oTjeX8a/XRg94RR0I86+PkdbZ7H Xa0ctIzUDZ6k5OwsM/GV3X/Y8Svaa55GM96YvATHmq/N6bAOloz2CzMprIcz9X5dRFZR o2uZVOorlZ8028snUutjsPNuUlVIhul4wkD3deOgjzbILruyn9l2b+3wqPG41rLtfMfk +KOA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=86DhjtRNY4fSvgYUNKn/cQpQcRYcJ7nUdRTzkPz2mNs=; b=n600NzL2EqwRDfVGhuvPoyr/dW6VJbSDsIWGcjS+tfWAyP5uog1IxzIQX6mDMJIGqQ cZiqi01YzSE8fkw4cHWDsWRiaxUmNwFj9wzDQctJLDFhZNoQgWVEzYzwi/jAF6vopKtv /Ndxn6d1SDivv3amrUbyGLf5yJeG7IwCaVGQCKt8xXeB9kU5C6j4DT6X37JWTL53j0Zr 3nok/tO5FNjd+SloaZuEEJWEbj/HeDlwR5kR+xJqPTFhlcoM1bmF2rfSdR3IUjsRGH3d 6ywU6gl8v1oBbU4Db5nSppPManczcJ/eYKHoMB95ylPOmH4JKW6VKFv9EP66r2c1IFn+ K+uw== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX4G/AqkmOp7/9t+ObUuYZf31OyvrS5Gg3tihYx22HFDYvYeT3Tx BpTojiBag0uzTYNSXkUXQUt/Fi8nKfoCO6FOwOZ4VA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMbuB2WuRgCTK3klxswFf+N+aaZlEk+aLRQRMNNABKfZi2hhv8JjN5Eq66b1nZlj8Ye2bT3CZ4Nl7cMRF/IHv7o= X-Received: by 10.107.52.140 with SMTP id b134mr6966256ioa.291.1511383493980; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 12:44:53 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: wlosh@bsdimp.com Received: by 10.79.108.204 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 12:44:53 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [2603:300b:6:5100:6561:a5e8:a74:eef3] In-Reply-To: <5A15DDFA.8060302@Wilcox-Tech.com> References: <5A15DDFA.8060302@Wilcox-Tech.com> From: Warner Losh Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 13:44:53 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: MmInd8ihecBn1p0C9oymne7ryLM Message-ID: Subject: Re: The future of fortune(6) To: "A. Wilcox" Cc: "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 20:44:55 -0000 On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 1:28 PM, A. Wilcox wrote: > On 22/11/17 14:06, Warner Losh wrote: > > We're a technical project, primarily, not one that has a > > political agenda. > > > perhaps that is why so many people are confused by its removal > There's no confusion: The file expresses many political views and doesn't express other views. Curating that mess is impossible. The only way to say we don't care is to kick it to the curb. If there is no political agenda, then moving the entire thing to a port > would have been the right thing to do =E2=80=93 including the datfiles. > No. That would also give the project's endorsement to it. Gone is 'no opinion at all' we have. > Oh well, political correctness already took three other projects to > rubbish. And there we have it. No further logical discussion is possible. Invoking both a logical fallacy and a straw man attack based on it. Twisting "no view at all on this stuff" into political correctness simply doesn't follow unless you view your world through some twisted political lense. Thank you for proving my point that trying to rationally discuss this matter is quite simply impossible. Warner