From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 23:54:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60822400 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 23:54:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from user.vdr@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ie0-f182.google.com (mail-ie0-f182.google.com [209.85.223.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 226298FC17 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 23:54:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ie0-f182.google.com with SMTP id s9so16106013iec.13 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 15:54:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=OfX/bka2w7SYFe5qhvozcCJkgtYhrb7DO2VIdL5oiOo=; b=PtCFsiOK0TM0khJa1GIqmhGbuBsfsK/oK5wuIEHzkDJQD8GLbUnaTQshQggUir1JiC IwSPw4H5T9d9A0QR0QGAlDF8LeeuFmAl2lZD4Q3arelKnNw538ISEmmmx1+135IwnBUD C2QR9CU5tnZzflh7G0JGvOSFAz/jQwzUyQLBNyM4bU/YJVA7R5TqndvyqSkK0IWPpiNg iWxxTeO0YjT0GJ4eKkpiJ7TXUco0Pmk31GEqI7YACso0hUukDYLfpUIX9/y2Is+ezjlG SQdVA4B8EHOizMdt1apePevqwr1sFUDEuq9AKlo7aaCYm80+yvyUAvuT0sNgCXxtUmYu 11Ug== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.42.232 with SMTP id r8mr17528185igl.18.1354060441394; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 15:54:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.111.71 with HTTP; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 15:54:01 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20121127231130.106340@gmx.com> References: <20121127231130.106340@gmx.com> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 15:54:01 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Support for "old" hardware (was:Re: kern/148741: [sound] Headphones are deaf (do not work) on Lenovo ThinkPad X300) From: VDR User To: Dieter BSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 23:54:02 -0000 On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Dieter BSD wrote: > Alexander writes: >> Also, adding special exception for this laptop to the driver is quite >> pointless because while it will pass next 6 months FreeBSD release cycle >> this already not new laptop will be out of market for even more time and >> will be mostly forgotten. > > Are we to throw computers in the landfill once they are 5 minutes old? > Not very green. :-( > >> AC'97 is absolutely different beast. It is so old that I have no plans >> to spend my time on fixing it. > > AC'97 may be useful or not useful. This is not a function of how old it is. > > Unix is from the early 1970s and we still find it useful and we still > maintain and improve it. > > Better watch out, or the doctors will say that your body is too old > to spend their time fixing. You're being very dramatic and over-exaggerating. Also, Unix along with all of its spawn has gone through significant change over the years so if you're implying what people use today is the same thing they were using in the 70's then that's being blatantly dishonest. Maybe in a perfect world all hardware would be supported forever. But there comes a time when, for example, maintaining a driver becomes counter-productive because there simply isn't enough of a user-base to justify the resources spent doing so. Hardware evolves, software evolves, computers evolve -- if you don't want to evolve with it then continue to use the hardware & software from whatever era in computing history of your choosing so long as you understand the burden of supporting that stuff may ultimately rest on your shoulders.