From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 21 13:23:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E2BE3EB for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2013 13:23:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ve0-f173.google.com (mail-ve0-f173.google.com [209.85.128.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3A61212 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2013 13:23:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ve0-f173.google.com with SMTP id oz10so7868759veb.4 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2013 05:23:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=x00S4l1aXB35wk+9rK282qmE/wzVbuF+dDdAzoszRFQ=; b=Uw1P6FrI2nW6awih/nZK23fDeh3fh+U7ecrmX5BSMzuLI7n76krmtdgG0+kClHtP13 /Vwyxpgbf1Lq8OCI+VSFQpDngOj7XSAW6aZj1Sj4de7om+bDDfyEWBtTmNtFX5FNPi0A 7Iis1ghyU8Dpi3KH9WrF+dPMrYW8l1xRGWciEX/LqoVxRJooha4GO9Px+OoQr+yaX1ud fyOyPL5bLHAwjW8Bt5lwos9Tp0JhsAPaHUWaKSiLD62vVBw/ra+6O3VyWn+5uhJKcLMY eoNle1pT14mjiB1QFdqb2bDtaav2DaCkjzLKQ2nGpHtZoamIXWn0q0y+YFxBaQGccfbK ccdQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.58.252.72 with SMTP id zq8mr32193251vec.20.1361453014119; Thu, 21 Feb 2013 05:23:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.58.170.36 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Feb 2013 05:23:34 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <51261D9E.6080507@digsys.bg> References: <51261D9E.6080507@digsys.bg> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 05:23:34 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD Testing Facility From: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk To: Daniel Kalchev Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 13:23:35 -0000 On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 5:14 AM, Daniel Kalchev wrote: > > > On 21.02.13 15:04, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: > >> Dear All , >> >> During development of FreeBSD , testing is very vital . >> >> To my knowledge ( which may not be correct ) , at present , >> Tinderbox is used to only compilation correctness , >> means "Syntax" is tested . >> >> I have downloaded >> >> ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/**FreeBSD/snapshots/amd64/amd64/** >> ISO-IMAGES/10.0/FreeBSD-10.0-**CURRENT-amd64-20130216-** >> r246877-release.iso >> >> >> and tried to install it on an Intel DG965WH main board . >> >> During the first booting , it generated a panic message and entered into >> debug mode . >> >> For me it has crashed , because I do not know what to do in debug mode . >> >> >> >> On this main board , it is possible to completely install and successfully >> run >> >> Windows 7 , >> Fedora 15 , 17 , 18 , >> Mageia >> OpenSuSE >> > > I stopped right here. None of the software you compare FreeBSD-current to > is an development build. On the other hand, you downloaded an cutting-edge > development build of FreeBSD (not released software) and expected it to be > stable. It is not. This is why it is not released. It might not always > break, but it might also damage your data and (possibly) hardware too. > Unless you agree to accept these risks, you should not play with > development versions of software. > > Having said that, the DG965WH is quite old hardware and any stable version > of FreeBSD should work just fine there. You are unlikely to see any benefit > of the unreleased versions that are still in development, such as > supporting "very new" hardware etc. > > Sorry if any of this sounds too hard, but it is reflecting reality. This > mailing list, freebsd-current exists to facilitate discussion between > those, who know they are running highly unstable, still in development > version of FreeBSD that needs lots of work to become more stable. > > Daniel > I will not support your views . My main idea is to describe how we can help to improve FreeBSD testing . The problem is " A snapshot intended for testing , is NOT able to boot." . If you ask , do I know what I am doing : My answer is I am working in computing since 1970 . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk