From nobody Thu Feb 12 09:05:37 2026 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4fBTsw1C9Fz6Sdh7 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2026 09:05:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@freebsd.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::24b:4]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "R12" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4fBTsw0fZ2z3vhM; Thu, 12 Feb 2026 09:05:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@freebsd.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1770887140; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=3WqwC+maonKx6AJk/JhnwQFvj9CdiWN67nmQuuPMhGc=; b=it+R12Fm8kUyzr1ek+VRHsd5Bdz1wNByuvkDdAmqxbt9+Q2FrcOrjytGqbE1lFxya2Zha6 /v7+F9CohOm9uOyQXaJdaKXaX5a/6XkjBLbOG2FVQLAO+dkcT+4yBxLQlBDfw2Dg4XxX8Y Oiz3ad7Y5EowPmCglLhhi8goDKN+4zSAyOkgFcGmomsiAmr9v+SZqOZlW2SkMAVx0yNV18 SLf7z03NGXS3UP3cwud4+BwXVjEaoanDmczvwUfVIjdqYbfuiwpVU08pUu3xxS0Llxl7+T NK1niApsIVZ/Ke1pHkeL0Qu0O+lz1xqGD+X3vhZbbY3w1Y9o8c/HkKg92QcyjQ== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1770887140; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=dQTe9TST9dToh+dF9ZOGOO4f7XDR1HXmgxWaOzbN668f+KWkePf3LHeeSM0s25n7ico9pM PNXZguvImdLbh/VLds44sga8Ov119e6FRq5QQorCPlx3j7PuhoxVLBl6kJCTQ2dhcBhlcl UF6qxDFxnObwz251Gv55EmY9FkWbNkhcU0uWAwTzKv99zEnAJYzx17I92OXCYfkzVXrJuY +AHo6gjTOHWH7W3TQisaBRTPp8aYmpFL2aRsjJnExrrHLrcbDep2PDUMfLKQEkllRoOMjY 1S4hegY78Du59LKRuReMxB479yQH+u4BGCFuIRuPgl8jEXNkezjc9X5YrDw6tg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1770887140; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=3WqwC+maonKx6AJk/JhnwQFvj9CdiWN67nmQuuPMhGc=; b=HRPll4IxYRRTaPM5uk1bvmhMcuz42GlwsCJ+qwLLhzC5EHK0PkNbTWH7iGBGEN9I8aAbMG PwKJPJHGv4VxHC93kCWuffAeE75FZLCP9W6e4YAQ32mrrV9uYfiBnH+qqAaHZROtUg9AId gte6QGEZGxu+EGeDwkFM+XPKY8Mdqp3GtIH+qoOVYZf3FKYaRUJkFrt/ExcbiIswc+W+Sh 65CmHeuCAIT6qwsQUhxHoMlwgVUI/rh/Kv1EklGNbgT4kdtXlUkVqTgxBVhr9xHUKPULIq mjOF5TGA1Q6PxmfB69nxgACR4/hrX+prTJkgrcs/zFb2VuVePDm+7kr4Tp7MTg== Received: from ltc.des.dev (lfbn-nan-1-698-103.w86-236.abo.wanadoo.fr [86.236.35.103]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: des) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4fBTsv67VXzRcq; Thu, 12 Feb 2026 09:05:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@freebsd.org) Received: by ltc.des.dev (Postfix, from userid 1001) id EB43172BCF; Thu, 12 Feb 2026 10:05:37 +0100 (CET) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: Dewayne Geraghty Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Strange sockstat entries In-Reply-To: <2b052936-205f-4fa3-bb35-6a9410b995a6@heuristicsystems.com.au> (Dewayne Geraghty's message of "Thu, 12 Feb 2026 14:59:47 +1100") References: <2133E787-9AF9-4999-83DC-83B4C0CABD32@lafn.org> <864insbxvk.fsf@ltc.des.dev> <30A38850-8D1B-4DF1-ADE9-9CFFD238EABF@lafn.org> <2b052936-205f-4fa3-bb35-6a9410b995a6@heuristicsystems.com.au> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2026 10:05:37 +0100 Message-ID: <86ms1e2uxq.fsf@ltc.des.dev> List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dewayne Geraghty writes: > As mysterious as ?? appears in sockstat output it may convey a problem > that is occurring between the synchronisation of the two source lists. > > Wouldn't displaying sockets owned by the kernel also be helpful in > diagnosing connection issues? It would be helpful to appear as > PID/UID=3D0. Why are you repeating what I wrote four days ago back to me? > An aside, when the kernel is involved in TLS negotiation, does the > socket (currently) remain hidden until its handed to the process? No. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@FreeBSD.org