Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2020 14:33:40 -0400 From: Aryeh Friedman <aryeh.friedman@gmail.com> To: Valeri Galtsev <galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu> Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Minimal skills Message-ID: <CAGBxaXmVAMv12B09XbCGPw6=NBXiyzKOz2w9j1tut-x9t8NEQg@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <C49F5FB7-37F5-4A49-ADA2-16490089CFDC@kicp.uchicago.edu> References: <mailman.5421.1591424554.4503.freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> <a7f9a8b5-29b1-c083-e82d-92192c2f3c9e@defert.com> <CAGBxaX=B3ieSMnFyQ__NyQ=OVoz53c06RVsa-jap6GR6r0Y7Ew@mail.gmail.com> <C49F5FB7-37F5-4A49-ADA2-16490089CFDC@kicp.uchicago.edu>
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On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 1:46 PM Valeri Galtsev <galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu> wrote: > > > > On Jun 6, 2020, at 8:17 PM, Aryeh Friedman <aryeh.friedman@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 5:06 AM Vincent DEFERT <20.100@defert.com> wrote: > > > >> My advice: NEVER, ever, learn Java, for if you do, you'll never want to > >> use another language and that could be a handicap in a new developer's > >> career. > >> > > > > I switched 10 years ago to Java after 15 years of C/C++ (and an odd > > assortment of other languages) and certainly agree with the idea of not > > wanting to use another language. Think of Java as the family SUV, not > > particularly fast and nimble when you need high performance or very low > > level work but what is it good for nothing is better (rock solid code > that > > doesn't require the above). That being said you should learn it but > learn > > it with other languages. > > > > To the OP: > > As someone already said in this thread: Java is proprietary, and Oracle > who bought out Sun Microsystems (the creator of Java) started charging > money end users of applications written in Java. > > Where on Earth did you get the idea that Oracle charges/gets royalties for 3rd application in Java!?!?!??!?!? I have *NEVER* paid a dime for any application and/or anything else written in Java (nor is there any language in the legal material that comes with the language and/or any of the tools that would even allow for a royalty)... the language spec is completely open and anyone can write a compiler or a JVM (all the specs are completely available)..... IBM has made one so have a few other people including GNU. Please direct me and the OP the a *RELIABLE* (and authoritative source) that says what you claim? For counter proof here is a link to the current language and JVM specs https://docs.oracle.com/javase/specs/jls/se14/html/index.html https://docs.oracle.com/javase/specs/jvms/se14/html/index.html Oh and the license for OpenJDK can be found at https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-3.0.html (Yes you read that right GPL 3.0 w/ linking exception [the end user can charge for programs written in Java if they wish but Oracle gets no royalties!]) -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org
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