From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 2 14:54:47 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE2AB1065671 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 14:54:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mh@kernel32.de) Received: from crivens.kernel32.de (crivens.terrorteam.de [81.169.171.191]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A47038FC22 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 14:54:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mh@kernel32.de) Received: from www.terrorteam.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by crivens.kernel32.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id D82DCB02A4; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 16:54:45 +0200 (CEST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 16:54:45 +0200 From: Marian Hettwer To: =?UTF-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= In-Reply-To: <86abkcpbbo.fsf@ds4.des.no> References: <86abkcpbbo.fsf@ds4.des.no> Message-ID: X-Sender: mh@kernel32.de User-Agent: RoundCube Webmail/0.1-rc2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Passive PROFITS , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Newbie Update - & thanks! :) X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 14:54:48 -0000 Hi DES, On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 16:42:51 +0200, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: > Marian Hettwer writes: >> Actually you'll find a lot of applications in FreeBSD ports where you >> wouldn't find them as a debian package for instance :) Especially in >> regards to the version of this specific software. Example? Debian >> Sarge --> No Apache 2.2 > > 1) the latest Debian release is Etch, not Sarge > I know that the latest release is Etch. I never said that Sarge is the latest release. However, Sarge was around for a long period of time and my statement was: No apache 2.2 there. > 2) this is a matter of policy, not incompetence; packages associated > with a particular release receive only bug fixes, not feature > upgrades. > I know. I disagree with that policy, though. > 3) As a consequence, Debian has a (well-earned) reputation as the most > stable Linux-based server platform. > This is FUD. Take a look into a MySQL changelog, for instance, and tell me how MySQL under debian can be more stable than MySQL in any other linux distribution. It's plain impossible. The debian folks are patching their MySQL release (the one associated with the debian release), but in the end, they can't do anything about MySQL bugs. (apart of what any distribution can do: update to the latest release) > To summarize, you may want to check your facts more carefully the next > time you feel like bashing the competition. > I believe I know my facts quite well, since I'm adminstrating approx 600 debian boxes for more than 3 years now, while I migrated those boxes from woody to sarge. And yes, I know, it's time to move on to Etch (or maybe to Ubuntu LTS). My fact was: No Apache 2.2 in Sarge. That's it. Nothing wrong there. And if I disagree with their policy of having fixed versions of their software, it's up to me to say that. That's still no bashing. In fact, you may stop interpreting mails wrong, before bashing around. Right?! ./Marian