From nobody Sat Aug 9 12:10:17 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4bzfqG3zKPz648bP for ; Sat, 09 Aug 2025 12:10:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@freebsd.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [96.47.72.83]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "R11" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4bzfqG3BQVz3frT; Sat, 09 Aug 2025 12:10:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@freebsd.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1754741418; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=b+j1gDqGMHbCZpAGGrwcbxGsAZ3l5awc8luJBQzTFQk=; b=ZrpLn7LDzo1hNl5KzH0h7u9WyyIafkiVWgqXvMMDvTNP7bniLSeLEfEcT4rTLCWyLO8Itf mZmB1LJ1g4bUw84LeN7YusoqMtO8ybG/L+PdOWxuUaeANUC1FaoUmZdD1MxdsPLivK4/Y5 nex/Is3S7PnSyqcpAl0qBl5AGEwFg7+TmMfLgReNOgfcQoqrHaNfauncZe2mjLwrPXTMHB VkDQolSuR4t9cerx/K4+KIVePQ3FWJcC4zkzCLqXnfVC6icuVTLoonf0zKaBr6zkN5BB5f YDf6ZhZpU6OSAHCBdWuopKkIj2DSeRgJFZm3MsiNfghMwDfZ0L94/xgNdt0yVw== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1754741418; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=b+j1gDqGMHbCZpAGGrwcbxGsAZ3l5awc8luJBQzTFQk=; b=dB55y/uDShMStREa4uYS8y9VIJ7ao9qktjBemAAA4Zg5Qd+xktm3Dzx2lXgu7eceA7xvEx JzuBLZyZRKcVzHOWDLopnUEzhFWYCkBXJX/0MCeZ/+9wH4CP9XlOSgGEjciORL6+H6UmhR TqeHE+XMs+TH5/ciOko52Y6ptyPrSBpHsGvmxsBIMJ2c2AVwJXRlShn8JWa5ApnN4glvw3 H8btpJcPtEuj2x9RbVY+15N3Zt50Ao7erq7amQaI9SycCYVxsx0IJceC3Es8BH7S0wWge1 JBWy6x2jUoJaB4HPhPZQNFPWImpzPyrokauQ2OH8H85tObZ05euHjMYj0gek1g== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1754741418; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=TFQWc5Nxy4InJTbLM2G7wNiDOKZkVgrmDe10X+OtUBe90nuPvJdsx/4n2zLmE35Qfximbl q4nqBfWZ71TY6SZynrYLTWDDTuuebLszaLcpFyQpUFhPpeFgB1vAS62IB+QrorumhebL1w k+ySDOJ29LGyYboxbx2wpEnpFH/zUzA0xjoTeoxsabU8vkanLSd08ksndsrjLa5EkRUuZ2 dcUFZ6Hfao7XkkOUq+GDfbhiUcJP/f6SMVFNdDXvHVOoXDa7tcW6uSCvihrDDQjvOpAf/H fOUq1ZU4jzYrEN5ktErFXD68CAEq/PcdYRaBG/DGuVdD6SSmsG2szaECjaMQpA== Received: from ltc.des.dev (unknown [IPv6:2a01:e0a:c54:bed0:922e:16ff:fef1:acef]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: des) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4bzfqG1vmvz138V; Sat, 09 Aug 2025 12:10:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@freebsd.org) Received: by ltc.des.dev (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 0750611CBA; Sat, 09 Aug 2025 14:10:17 +0200 (CEST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: David Greenman-Lawrence Cc: Sulev-Madis Silber , freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PKGBASE Removes FreeBSD Base System Feature In-Reply-To: <20250809062925.GN26557@mailx.dglawrence.com> (David Greenman-Lawrence's message of "Fri, 8 Aug 2025 23:29:25 -0700") References: <20250808.091053.1322595805169591390.sthaug@nethelp.no> <86h5yi43kp.fsf@ltc.des.dev> <2F323B4C-DA2E-47FF-A8E9-FB515B5D446D@ketas.si.pri.ee> <20250809062925.GN26557@mailx.dglawrence.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2025 14:10:17 +0200 Message-ID: <86ectk1ys6.fsf@ltc.des.dev> List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable David Greenman-Lawrence writes: > FWIW, I do have an opinion on this: I think that "pkg delete -af" is a > useful thing that should not destroy your base system. If you want to delete all packages that aren't vital to the system's functioning, just run `pkg delete -a`. That will leave you with whatever packages were locked or marked vital (normally FreeBSD-clibs and FreeBSD-runtime, which contain the most important libraries and binaries) plus pkg itself (because pkg is hardcoded to never delete itself unless forced to). DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@FreeBSD.org