From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 28 17:00:24 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA02431 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 17:00:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA02426 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 17:00:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id RAA09543; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 17:52:37 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199602290052.RAA09543@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Win32 (was:Re: Go SCSI! Big improvement...) To: coredump@nervosa.com (invalid opcode) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 17:52:37 -0700 (MST) Cc: narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee, jehamby@lightside.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "invalid opcode" at Feb 28, 96 02:16:25 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > On Wed, 28 Feb 1996, Narvi wrote: > > Talking about real good GUIs... How do you define one? Windows certainly > > Sander > > NeXTStep. > Why is it that all good ideas are never liked by the stupid human public. Because of the lame proprietary technology you have to license to implement the idea (Display PostScript) and the lame idea of making your computer run like a snail whenever you print by moving the processing (PostScript) from the printer to the computer because it's too expensive to implement any other way? The GUI was cool, the "Objective C" was "Objectionable" (we'll just define this *new* language so we don't have to learn C++ and because we thing we can jack GCC into compiling it without giving the sources out so it can be ported to other platforms). The browser was cool, the "dock" was OK (I guess; it was pretty limited in the number of apps it could contain), and the login screen was cool. The initial lack of color really sucked. The use of mixed text and binary databases for things sucked. The inability to use a remote display sucked. The "Mach domain" sockets sucked. The need to load apps from a server and run them locally instead of running on an application server sucked. The lack of a floppy drive sucked. The speed of the optical sucked. The black cube was cool. The Motorolla DSP was cool. More than one button on the mouse was cool (three would have been better). "Write Now" was cool. The paint program was cool. The keyboard connector was cheap. The missing key in the "T" bar keys was cheap. The power button was annoying (in combination, it made it impossible to emulate a VT220 without using composition keys). I can't see why developers didn't flock to it. 8-). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers.