From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 10 19:27:23 2011 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B23AC1065677 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 19:27:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.user@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 621148FC1A for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 19:27:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxl31 with SMTP id 31so928612yxl.13 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 11:27:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.146.59.21 with SMTP id h21mr8595216yaa.3.1299785242387; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 11:27:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-071-070-216-068.nc.res.rr.com [71.70.216.68]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u20sm690519anu.34.2011.03.10.11.27.20 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 10 Mar 2011 11:27:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: FreeBSD.user@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B1235E54833 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 14:27:19 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 14:27:18 -0500 From: Jerry <freebsd.user@seibercom.net> To: FreeBSD <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> Message-ID: <20110310142718.32e0f62a@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=NFBaRRFjP2CgWhE5dkxy2+Nt_4hvk20sVVbRA@mail.gmail.com> References: <AANLkTinqpOeSro5dPJJ-yRa+ZMDD0Nphu+4wd9Raxex7@mail.gmail.com> <20110309233132.GA28666@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <op.vr4z1rjt34t2sn@skeletor.feld.me> <AANLkTi=NFBaRRFjP2CgWhE5dkxy2+Nt_4hvk20sVVbRA@mail.gmail.com> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.8 (GTK+ 2.22.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAJFBMVEUeH4oAAI3//v8LDHmw s8gyNZ/b3ej7+vn+/v////+PjIc8Plaj/TnQAAACNElEQVQ4jaXUvW/aQBQAcFtKGZLFT+YY 3D1SR9SKoRMncE3IggU4kicGi1JYOgQwyYrgnLlSzhsoNkTuVJEp+ef6ztiAoV3aJ+QPfufn s987S/5fQvoXYPjztmfc514Ks+5JfGUCfrzt4+VabF+jwEV4DGEXN8N4p16sPLxHX07/V3qX yfF5D2H6K4V8j9NkyAphvkjBembD5PDFk3zeTzP1jcksyaV9w+d4ELmUoOp8N2p8uQVyhTAT uawnKNH2mie5lJp48mscUcbJUvg0mR6APwAoye9AMyWozY4gAh0vcxa5FJ4TKCuODESWtfkB 8AEQSupUXNIYH8FSC2w8X3eMBNbbVJpJ7MgECO5yJ9DUEWCYkzNAlsRsgwLQ1GkWqELbkDOh 1bUzoHagYkNh9MXlK/MQoA42gTxz2bhPM2DJedm8MZx6cNfJgEZJ5cmwPp5FZ/Ye8O2qTrFV dgOrHkZRBoheJiGrRquwAhnQ6GeTePPerWVmQelAQ5lwNqtvQd2lcooAV74/zR1BIRS19fy5 ru+B/8ReW9pYKMPjt609zDaitHHTGOO+Zu7gHvsKE7XbeE1QVuJXomIFuZgUJdXQdhpqEELc /e8RLjfi+cQ01yMdWot8UcCVxEWHEkcUrsDGuhaIEoM9kfgAR6jxHcmEV7tNURAl8KTHN9iF McKGFHGO62O62UMpbmlVuogQ7ndL8zXCiLeBy3xpfrqaXS/+AHDG4o8AvhuPeezD/3xL/hy/ Adjlg2odglF2AAAAAElFTkSuQmCC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Apple & FreeBSD relationship X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 19:27:23 -0000 On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 10:53:47 -0800 David Brodbeck <gull@gull.us> articulated: > On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 8:57 AM, Mark Felder <feld@feld.me> wrote: > > On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 17:31:32 -0600, Frank Shute > > <frank@shute.org.uk> wrote: > > > >> Apple produces the clusterfuck that is CUPS, I believe. > > > > > > Apple took over the CUPS project. They didn't write it. They're > > improving it a lot with every major OSX release, so I'm not sure > > why you're so upset. > > I think a lot of the hate for CUPS here is NIH syndrome. Seriously, it goes way, way beyond CUPS. Just look at the debauchery regarding a HAL replacement. Instead of the different distros creating a uniform replacement, they are each intent on reinventing the wheel with their own implementation. In the end, nobody gains and the status quo per se remains as fragmented as ever. -- Jerry ✌ FreeBSD.user@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ It is always the best policy to tell the truth, unless, of course, you are an exceptionally good liar. Jerome K. Jerome