From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 9 13:34:55 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE628106566B; Sun, 9 Sep 2012 13:34:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from smtp.des.no (smtp.des.no [194.63.250.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B57B8FC08; Sun, 9 Sep 2012 13:34:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ds4.des.no (smtp.des.no [194.63.250.102]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34E0F6ED1; Sun, 9 Sep 2012 15:34:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: by ds4.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D9BAF88CE; Sun, 9 Sep 2012 15:34:53 +0200 (CEST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: Warner Losh References: <20120908234659.GA10489@server.rulingia.com> <504BD9B5.20001@shatow.net> <504BE020.1070300@FreeBSD.org> <504BE12A.50907@shatow.net> <9A528A3C-40F1-4599-ACAB-EF306033A4F2@bsdimp.com> Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2012 15:34:53 +0200 In-Reply-To: <9A528A3C-40F1-4599-ACAB-EF306033A4F2@bsdimp.com> (Warner Losh's message of "Sat, 8 Sep 2012 22:01:43 -0500") Message-ID: <86pq5vtj42.fsf@ds4.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.4 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: arch@freebsd.org, Olli Hauer , Eitan Adler , Bryan Drewery Subject: Re: Removing CVS from HEAD X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2012 13:34:55 -0000 Warner Losh writes: > Since we have traditionally included cvs, it does make sense. People > that use FreeBSD have used it as the basis for systems that they have > deployed, including cvs. There's no compelling reason to removing > right now, and doing so will break some of these people. We had cvs in base because we used it. We no longer do. Nobody maintains it, and it's four years out of date, not to mention that what we have (minus our own modifications, which Eitan has already applied to the port) does not even correspond to any official release that I've been able to identify - the code matches, but the ancillary files don't. > Let's let this round of changes to the FreeBSD source system shake out > before we become eager to kick cvs out. Perhaps revisit for 11? What round of changes? We've used Subversion for base for years. Now doc and ports use it too, and portmgr@ have already announced that they will stop supporting CVS by the end of February 2013. Anybody who's actively developing FreeBSD or maintaining local diffs is already using Subversion, and if they aren't, they should. Everybody else uses csup, or ought to - it is much, much faster than cvs co / cvs up. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no