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Message-ID: <20210718224841.41fceef9@archlinux> In-Reply-To: References: <20210718134409.5e8d545a@archlinux> <14b675f9-a4fd-608f-719c-b26274fcc2b6@gmail.com> <351c2b55514490582d42e6434d90fefebaaf3eb2.camel@riseup.net> <96e71feb5264b8a9afa42cebcd7f2e6bdaf5c31c.camel@riseup.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GScWx4FG4z4kxd X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=s/OQiUFb; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf-mardorf@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf-mardorf@riseup.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.60 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; SUBJECT_HAS_EXCLAIM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; SUBJECT_HAS_QUESTION(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from:127.0.2.255]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2021 20:48:47 -0000 On Sun, 18 Jul 2021 15:49:55 -0300, Mario Lobo wrote: >This is all really confusing to me. In the days before two-factor authentication your mail client needed an user ID, usually the email address of your account and a password to connect with IMAP, POP, SMPT servers. If two mail clients accessed the same account, they both used the same password. Nowadays your mail client still needs an user ID, usually the email address of your account and a password to connect with IMAP, POP, SMPT servers, IOW nothing changed, even the same configureation GUI of e.g. Evolution or Claws is used. New is, that the password now is generated by Yahoo and you need a password for each mail client, they do not use the same password to access the same account. The only issue is, that you need to know about it and that you need to search for the place where Yahoo's Webinterface does provide this feature. Actually they informed the users about it by email, they just spread a little bit FUD, because they want us to use their smartphone apps or Webinterfaces only. However, the fault for this annoyance isn't caused by companies such as Yahoo, it's for example EU law that does force companies to change authentication methods two times a year. Not related to email accounts yet, but at least related to online banking, so companies try to be prepared for the future.