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Date:      Fri, 03 Nov 2000 15:55:03 -0800
From:      Randy Bush <randy@psg.com>
To:        =?ISO-8859-1?Q?G=E9rard_Roudier?= <groudier@club-internet.fr>
Cc:        freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: 68-80 on curdle second scsi chan
Message-ID:  <E13rqfn-0000vT-00@rip.psg.com>
References:  <E13rnO3-0000IT-00@rip.psg.com> <Pine.LNX.4.10.10011032243330.1964-100000@linux.local>

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>> the asus cur-dls has a sym dual controller
>> 
>>     sym0: <896> port 0xb400-0xb4ff mem 0xf9000000-0xf9001fff,\
>>           0xf9800000-0xf98003ff irq 9 at device 5.0 on pci1
>>     sym0: Symbios NVRAM, ID 7, Fast-40, LVD, parity checking
>>     sym0: open drain IRQ line driver, using on-chip SRAM
>>     sym0: using LOAD/STORE-based firmware.
>>     sym0: handling phase mismatch from SCRIPTS.
>>     sym1: <896> port 0xb000-0xb0ff mem 0xf8000000-0xf8001fff,\
>>           0xf8800000-0xf88003ff irq 9 at device 5.1 on pci1
>>     sym1: Symbios NVRAM, ID 7, Fast-40, LVD, parity checking
>>     sym1: open drain IRQ line driver, using on-chip SRAM
>>     sym1: using LOAD/STORE-based firmware.
>>     sym1: handling phase mismatch from SCRIPTS.
>>     (noperiph:sym0:0:-1:-1): SCSI BUS reset delivered.
>>     (noperiph:sym1:0:-1:-1): SCSI BUS reset delivered.
>>     da0 at sym0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0
>>     da1 at sym0 bus 0 target 1 lun 0
>>     Waiting 5 seconds for SCSI devices to settle
>>     (noperiph:sym0:0:-1:-1): SCSI BUS reset delivered.
>>     (noperiph:sym1:0:-1:-1): SCSI BUS reset delivered.
>>     Mounting root from ufs:/dev/da0a
>>     da0 at sym0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0
>>     da0: <IBM DDYS-T18350N S93E> Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device 
>>     da0: 80.000MB/s transfers (40.000MHz, offset 31, 16bit), \
>> 	 Tagged Queueing Enabled
>>     da0: 17501MB (35843670 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 2231C)
>>     da1 at sym0 bus 0 target 1 lun 0
>>     da1: <IBM DDYS-T18350N S93E> Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device 
>>     da1: 80.000MB/s transfers (40.000MHz, offset 31, 16bit), \
>> 	 Tagged Queueing Enabled
>>     da1: 17501MB (35843670 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 2231C)
>> 
>> it seems quite happy with the two ultra-2 drives on a 68pin cable on chan 0.
>> 
>> the second channel is also a 68pin.  i want to put on two old cd-rom
>> drives.  so i got a nicely terminated cable [0], and put on two 68m-to-80
>> adapters, see <http://www.scsi-cables.com/images/50large.gif>.
>> 
>> when booting, the system takes a loooooong time to scan the second scsi
>> channel, and does not see the drives.
>> 
>> i am probably doing something very naive/stoopid.  clues solicited.
> 
> It may well be a termination problem, in my opinion.
> 
> Given what you want to achieve, the Wide BUS must be terminated with SE
> (single ended signaling) at controller side and the Narrow one must be SE
> terminated at the other end.
> 
> The Wide-to-Narrow adapter you are using seems to just connect the low
> part of the Wide BUS to its output and just doesn't care of the high part.
> 
> Cause can be, for example:
> 
> - If your SCSI controller uses some kind of auto-termination magic, it may
>   well be confused by your configuration and not terminate the Wide BUS 
>   properly at the controller side.
> - If there is no terminator (normally LVD/SE capable) on the controller,
>   then the BUS is just not terminated at this side.
> 
> Basically, as long as you cannot make sure that the BUS is actually
> terminated as required by the tinking you want to achieve, you should not
> expect your SCSI system to work properly.

i think it is terminated properly.  the mobo termination is enabled.  there
is a terminator at the end of the 68-pin cable, an LVD/SE TRM-8915 from 
<http://www.scsi-cables.com/line/scsiterm.htm>.

i ain't sayin' that termination is not the problem.  i am saying that, if it
needs to be done differently, please apply clue-by-four.

randy


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