From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 20:41:30 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B27B9106566B for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:41:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f213.google.com (mail-bw0-f213.google.com [209.85.218.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E15E8FC12 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:41:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz5 with SMTP id 5so163287bwz.3 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:41:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=MVk2UMkQ1IzoXcuWYyRBYfLgxMCUut7ugpGoVLe4ZtQ=; b=pe03qggusLyzDPagLFqj9z4IZZoaeOZ8RPK4P567cA74ejxXe72ayPa+mJPJ+tKEyh b7R4b5hpd/URXkBF+eOqyrSAsNFAB+aHKqpAUzvEks/h/1xpt7xgsSSxvPC7+tDJASbB c9gIIjZm6evBJ5aToVC6wTtVORqChJzq3FT9g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=dcLuYaSzIfWDY1upxa4q9JmkiV82/nS05rYC8xr0QV9RQ6Szcp+kPiVMVg8cK6obLW bYlYgu+4+MFQzoE5earvGnCslkvrNqD5mimsebeybQXzvvquJoJ7k5dYIWDO+FjLfeCO 9GunuFRSfmfdUYgKXRM19QaaRZFLyX55xJrig= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.25.5 with SMTP id x5mr1214795bkb.166.1256676089161; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:41:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20091027142502.Q91143@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> References: <4AE5F897.3000103@rawbw.com> <200910270916.31033.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> <20091027021723.M88213@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> <20091027142502.Q91143@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> From: Chris Rees Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:41:09 +0000 Message-ID: To: Lars Eighner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Jonathan McKeown , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:41:30 -0000 2009/10/27 Lars Eighner : > On Tue, 27 Oct 2009, Chris Rees wrote: > >> 2009/10/27 Lars Eighner : >>> >>> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009, Jonathan McKeown wrote: >>> >>>> On Monday 26 October 2009 21:29:27 Yuri wrote: >>>>> >>>>> It's in /usr/sbin/sendmail. >>>>> >>>>> How many people actually use it? Very few. >>>>> Why isn't it moved to ports? >>>> >>>> What is this anti-sendmail obsession people have? >>> >>> The configuration is opaque, to put it kindly. >>> >> >> Are you talking about sendmail.m4 or sendmail.cf? Because we stopped >> editing sendmail.cf by hand years ago..... > > Then what are "we" using to edit sendmail.cf? =A0The man page doesn't see= m to > be et up with verbosity on the subject. > > Let me guess: a gnome GUI? > You guessed wrong. We use m4, which cuts out most of the crap that you had to write into sendmail.cf. You write sendmail.mc and compile it. Sendmail.mc on my system is less than 50 lines long, including comments. http://www.sendmail.org/m4/intro.html Chris --=20 A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list?