From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 10 23:59:10 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74B3416A419 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 23:59:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-current@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA8FB13C478 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 23:59:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-current@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IflSA-0004Kt-WB for freebsd-current@freebsd.org; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 23:59:03 +0000 Received: from 78-1-108-15.adsl.net.t-com.hr ([78.1.108.15]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 23:59:02 +0000 Received: from ivoras by 78-1-108-15.adsl.net.t-com.hr with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 23:59:02 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org From: Ivan Voras Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 01:58:51 +0200 Lines: 48 Message-ID: References: <86przndoe8.fsf@ds4.des.no> <20071010231643.GF58929@over-yonder.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig0CF52214415F0637A3158BF8" X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 78-1-108-15.adsl.net.t-com.hr User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) In-Reply-To: <20071010231643.GF58929@over-yonder.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.3 Sender: news Subject: Re: suggest renaming and extending the -CURRENT and -STABLE lines X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 23:59:10 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig0CF52214415F0637A3158BF8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Matthew D. Fuller wrote: > On Wed, Oct 10, 2007 at 05:29:12PM +0200 I heard the voice of > Ivan Voras, and lo! it spake thus: >> And we'll find many other people on this newsgroup who do the same, >> but not everyone's a kernel hacker, or even a decent programmer, so >> it's kind of insignificant. >=20 > I'm not a kernel hacker, and I don't remember the last time I ran a > production system on a release longer than it took to do a buildworld, > going back to 2.1.x. My workstation runs -CURRENT, though I rarely > run -CURRENT on other production systems (rarely !=3D never, but it is > rare). Unfortunately (for this developer-centric practice), the trend in large and/or important production environments is - as seen in Linux (and Solaris) - to severely limit major OS upgrades. Of course the existing possibility to do is excellent, but more and more end-users, especially big ones, are going with big Linux distributions that basically stay frozen (except for security upgrades) for years. And this idea gets a +1 from me - productions releases that are expected to run for years should be able to "just work" without upgrading to the "kernel of the week". To do this, a stable anchor-point is required and that's what -RELEASEes should be for. I think the fact that not all our -RELEASES are created equal (some are "extended support" releases) should be more advertised and explained. --------------enig0CF52214415F0637A3158BF8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHDWc7ldnAQVacBcgRAq0hAJ0d2UnljgQzZGFFgI2yEAgtMOeEhgCgiUdI acnTUxwg/Hfk5CSBz7Uu14s= =ruxS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig0CF52214415F0637A3158BF8--